Tom Joseph - Fair Elections Through Nominees That Actually Represent Your Values

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 Okay, thank you for being here. Mr. Tom Joseph and thanks to all the world of blazers

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 Another episode I have another guest as you see as I already stated Tom Joseph and here's here's what's cool about this

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 We do a lot in terms of analysis geopolitics all of that stuff

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 We're always trying to figure things out give you the what why etc

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 But not always a solution and this was cool about having Tom here

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 He has a solution or a proposed solution to one of the things that we are lacking in America

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 That's actually getting real

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 representation for

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 you and me

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 Not what's chosen for us for example as I'm sure Tom will be explaining here and so Tom with that

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 I'm not gonna get in your way too much on on this because I'm really interested in what you have

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 To offer and what you're working on because with midterms. This is very very timely this conversation

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 So if you don't mind, let's just start with

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 Why you started this project what you have to offer and how it's going to change things for the voters if we can get

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 everybody on board

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 hmm

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 Why I started I think like a lot of people just really frustrated with the situation we were in actually

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 I was kind of a height of kovat and

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 Just watching news thinking

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 Partisanship is gonna kill it ourselves. Yeah, and I wanted to do something

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 I made a commitment that if my business got PPP money that I would pay it forward somehow

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 And I knew I didn't want to run for office and I knew that

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 changing laws

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 Was not gonna happen. So my goal was to try to figure out how to kind of break the system without changing

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 And I eventually stumbled on a solution

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 Nice, so let's talk about that solution though

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 From what I understand and obviously correct me because you're the guy you're here

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 For what I understand you're looking at a way for example, we're talking about

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 Midterms coming up or actually right in it. Texas has already pretty much gone through theirs

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 and so let's let's talk about

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 Districts Jerry actually start with gerrymandering because I believe that was one of your motivators here. Also, right? There's a prime

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 Baiting way back way back to Ross bro

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 And just when I started getting involved in looking at politics this whole idea of uncompetitive districts

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 And gerrymandering and really a lack of accountability

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 Really bothered me and it was just something I couldn't wrap my head around and but I always thought about it

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 And I thought you know, but I was ever gonna do something

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 I would figure out how to create a market force in

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 gerrymandered districts that like change things and that was really kind of the genesis of what I did

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 I thought hey if we were started from scratch, we wouldn't do this

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 I mean we kind of fell into the system and

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 I had this idea of coming up with a contest that was and to make it a level playing field

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 I figured it had to be

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 no average, you know, no money and

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 I happened to talk to

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 Constitutional lawyer friend of mine. I didn't really understand the historical aspects of this

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 But he said, you know that has constitutional roots. He said this is the free and equal election clause

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 You know, I started doing some research on

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 the ideas that I

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 Guess it was in the 1800s when elections first became free

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 Which meant anybody could run James Wilson when he wrote the Pennsylvania Constitution

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 he first included the words and equal and

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 did a

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 law lecture about how if it wasn't fair the whole system become poisoned and

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 You know, so I figured hey there's really something you know to this that

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 This may actually

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 Cleanse the system. He actually described as the fountain of democracy

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 Free and equal elections and that if you do that the system's sure but if they aren't there that poisons the entire system that

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 Feels a lot like where we are today

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 But so the I also began to think that hey

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 A hundred years from now, we're not gonna do things this way. So why not start thinking about

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 How that is now, you know, let's just break those barriers down and I sort of say hey

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 How would we do this with technology and what happened was I backed into a way to figure out how to do this legally?

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 Because there's no laws that really prevent a political party from actually functioning as a tech company

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 so instead of this political party I started it there's no ideology just technology and

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 We're and my background is starting companies and tech and you know

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 I said, you know, we put the app inside the party and we publish that to local districts that are gerrymandered

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 And let local committees run the contest kind of like Olympic committees run trials for hundred yard dashes or the

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 253 or whatever, you know, but you you have a process that results in the best person being selected

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 We do not have a process of results in the best person

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 It's like we have a process the results in the best person being funded right person who's sold out

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 Yeah, we want somebody that's gonna sell out to the people not to the donors

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 let's do the

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 I'm really interested in this because what you said is correct like

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 We have an issue in gerrymandering

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 We didn't dive too deep into it

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 But but the thing is that what it's important to state is gerrymandering is actually legal every 10 years. We do it

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 redistrict so to speak

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 Yeah, absolutely and it has to be because your demographics change etc

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 And I get it people's leanings change, but at the same time what we're seeing now seems to be a weaponized version of that

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 And it came to the forefront after what happened in Texas, which people don't have the whole story on

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 they assume they do and then what happened in California with the prop 50 and

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 So with that being said, how does how does what you're working on it?

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 How does that help in those instances to where people still get equal representation?

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 It sounds like what you're doing is just like look we're gonna give put everybody on on an even playing field

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 We're all gonna give them a shot. We're gonna give everybody a chance to get out there in front of everybody

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 And that's that that's the issue. We're seeing at this moment is we don't have that we think we do

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 It's a false sense of it, correct?

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 So with with the redistricting every 10 years makes sense

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 But the way it's been happening now seems very weaponized and it doesn't feel like it would happen to me like in California

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 We're just talking offline a little bit, you know, we're seeing red districts, which you know

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 It's not majority red in the state anyway, but we're seeing how it's been redrawn and used to suck those red

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 Districts up break them up and turn certain purple or even turn them blue

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 intentionally

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 And it doesn't matter what your politics are in terms of the red or blue

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 It's an example of how it can be used against you and how your representation for what you believe in is just taken away and

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 You don't have an option

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 What is your solution going to do to help with that specifically?

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 Well, I mean it's this is really about money in the fact that

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 When you create this unfairness and basically what you're doing is you're bearing opposition votes and other you know

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 Illinois is you know same thing

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 I mean the the split between it's really looking at the split between the number of

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 Representatives that go to Congress and the percentages in that state of Democrats and Republicans and if it's really distorted then

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 obviously, there's something it's unfair, but one thing thing to think about George is that

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 Money distorts representation and if you didn't have

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 Unfairness and a guarantee

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 You wouldn't want to gerrymander like you would want natural

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 collections of people that are like-minded

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 And those people would not want opposition voices in their district because it kind of messes up their representation

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 so my

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 Theory is that if you create a free and equal process and you take out the bit

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 Eventually, they'll be incentive to actually un-gerrymander the districts because people want a representative that isn't distorted by

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 Opposition votes so that to me is like you have to create this market force

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 That causes them to react and actually when I came to our election my election attorney with this idea

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 I mean they were trying to figure out a break and they said there are only two ways to break it were to

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 Get rid of Super PACs or un-gerrymander the districts. I think either one and maybe we'll get votes

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 Let's talk about that money part because that's that's very important. You know money

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 Money is power money makes things happen, right? And so the guys like if I ran for example, I don't really have a shot

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 I'm not a millionaire. I don't have the backing

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 I'd be a brand-new, you know candidate for example

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 So what do you propose to make make it even for people that don't have the money like how you would win?

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 Okay, the way you would win or any regular person

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 Which is a government of the people by the people that you would win the contest and at the end of that

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 There's a Super PAC that says hey we support in the general election whoever wins this contest

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 So you think about we've taken the partisanship out of the Super PAC. This is a

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 Completely novel use of the Super PAC where it's for the common good

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 It's saying we will back that they say why would somebody put the money up for that, right?

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 Because they want to go down to history

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 I mean think about it if you're a wealthy person and you put this money up for the Super PAC you will be

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 Remember forever you will change this country for the good and people are spending billions of dollars to run around first be senator

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 To be a president they could form the Super PAC and basically coordinate the marketing campaign that would

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 Restore the voice of the people and that person will go down in history. So I wish I had the money I'd do that people

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 right

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 So this the Super PAC would be obligated to back

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 Whoever wins in these in these round how many rounds do you think you propose for example with I propose five rounds

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 goes down

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 Let's this is the way I think things will happen in advance of the contest a public service announces

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 The district say hey your district was selected, you know, the numbers are right

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 We think this is a good thing for the people if you're interested in running

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 Download the app and fill out your campaign portal. So you have a place where you can create marketing materials and

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 Public service announcements and your ads so that you can doesn't need to be attack

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 I can be really what you're about the key thing that we're doing. This is a clever idea

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 I'm working with some college students to come up with this

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 Idea of having what they call an issue indicator and that the local committee would pick seven issues that will be before Congress

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 They predict the next election cycle to global three national to local and anybody entering the contest must weigh in on those seven issues

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 Pick one of three positions and what this does is that you know, there's a free and equalness 50 to 100 candidates

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 We're too lazy to go through all those candidates, right?

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 Well, we want to do is say they George these four issues are important to you

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 Where do you match up exactly with these kids it's gonna return out of that field of 50 to 100 kids me 25

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 You could study them and say hey, this is gonna for me

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 I'm gonna hit a button and now they're endorsed for that's called approval voting where you get to approve of all the candidates

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 That meet your criteria. So now their first elimination we go to a top 20

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 Might be digestible enough for people to dig into but for the rest of the lazy people your guy eight people come through

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 You let it ride. Let's top two

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 Your top ten, I'm sorry

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 You want to study yet?

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 But what we're going to do is get to a top four because it's like a final for now

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 I think the public will engage we do a rank choice. So

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 This is the fourth round is a rank choice to get to a top two

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 Final debate top one sounds like work three rounds of approval voting one round rank choice and one round of up and down

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 Debate but I think that's what people want. They want a final choice between two people

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 This rank choice and stuff like that

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 I think this is really a little bit too indeterminate and I think in general rank choice

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 People aren't crazy about I know I like that I pro I made a little joke

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 But it does it's just like you're taking brackets from a from a playoff right for sports teams example

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 It absolutely makes sense

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 And so you're giving you're giving everybody an even chance to present themselves that people make up their minds based on

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 The debates at hand and hopefully they actually debate and just not insult each other too, right?

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 And I think it'll be less personal because I think at this point it's not

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 About this party that party right on and we're going into gerrymandered district

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 So it's going to be a district that's going to produce either a left or right candidate. We're not trying to disrupt by

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 Electing an opposition voice. We just want to have enough opposition voters to push the candidate either pink or baby blue

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 Right makes sense. So

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 At this point as you said no money, there's no money involved

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 No one can market themselves. Etc. It's just like we all start from zero

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 Correct. No physical evidence of the campaign. There's physical evidence campaign to keep out of the contest

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 So it's easy to enforce the rules. Plus it's a violation of the election law

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 Yeah, I later if you start spending money on a campaign, you don't form a committee. You're violating a law

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 So the law actually helps us enforce the rules of the contest. Huh?

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 What do you think it would take to get this implemented?

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 Not as much as I thought actually we

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 Instead of working with these kids at Drexel and Penn Haverford Temple

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 We have a proof of concept of basically a prototype and there's demos on the website when we get it running

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 And that but I'm also working with a group called the digital democracy project

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 Who's standing up an app and our first version of the app is going to be something we're gonna have basically a simulated election contest going

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 Every week like every day will represent a week of the contest so that people be able to play with it

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 Well the avatar candidates, you know

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 just fake people and we're gonna have a red and blue district that people will toggle between and

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 See how the contest actually works because I don't want the first implementation of this to be within an actual election

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 I want everybody to know how this is gonna work before we actually pick districts and go into it

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 What's the response been so far as you've been given presentations about this?

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 Just been getting into it. I mean, I this is probably I've probably done it a dozen podcasts

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 I'm pleased with the response. It's interesting the you know, the response from people that are either staunch Democrats or Republicans

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 They hate this idea

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 even the people in the election reform space, I think you know

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 See, this is kind of competitive. I

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 Look at is like if you aren't tied into the current

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 Political ecosystem you'd like the idea you're of an open mind to it

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 If you that this threatens if you're in the media or a lawyer and you're doing political stuff and this threatens that I

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 The mines close up. So the key is really I think do

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 Podcasts like this get the word out to you know people at the grassroots level and get support what I want people to do

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 Mainstreet party org, you know if they can't donate to go to our

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 Change.org petition, which is you can get a link to on our website and lease on our petition and show that there's public support for this

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 You know what? I like is that is the key. I like that this what you're saying

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 Because it literally truly brings us back to grassroots

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 Like it just it just cuts cuts the fat cuts the influence cuts all the BS out and brings everybody back

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 It's a lot, you know to level even playing field. Yeah, this is truly grassroots at this point

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 I think I think it's timely because I don't see too many people these days like the pulse of the nation isn't necessarily hard left

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 Who's going how do I get my chance? And so this this sounds like a very very bold and timely

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 Proposal that we should but I think both we should adapt parties are showing this thing that they want to be top-down

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 Just the leadership just has to change it. It's just so old and entrenched. Oh, yeah, it's tired. It's old

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 It's not working and it was it's not how it was. It's not what was intended either

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 Is there any room in your model though for another party?

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 Is it just based off a two-party system or do you see down the road there being a third or fourth party implementation of this?

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 For example, we're making room for one. I

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 Am if there's a another website we have wilson's fountain dot u.s. We had one of our interns write a paper on this and

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 What I see happening is that the system like this can actually

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 Evaporate the political parties and that we would move to a caucus system and that the factions that Madison envisioned weren't in the public

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 They were within Congress itself and that when you unbind

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 Ideologies for money that you'll have more caucuses and there's a author named Lee Dropman

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 Who has studied this and he he sees the party system his ideal party system goes into

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 And what they stand for and that's really when you get stable because coalitions have to form

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 Legislate you don't have you wouldn't have the super fun, you know, these big super bills writing would stand on its own

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 Yeah, that'd be nice, right?

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 That's the way it's supposed to be. I mean we

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 I mean, I think by putting a party system on top of what the framers design we messed it up

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 Yeah. Well, I mean, we're not really a true democracy though, right? Yeah, we're constitutional republic

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 Congress functions. Oh, no. No design of Congress. I said that with you. Yeah, I said that in a greens with you

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 It's it's like I'll just reinforce you're saying because it's correct

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 It's like we're not a true democracy and it sounds like this would bring us back to that

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 to where on the surface right now

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 This sounds amazing because like hey

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 This would give everybody a chance to get equal rep like true equal representation

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 But could this possibly turn or be manipulated to where people would not and this isn't a dig at where to propose them

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 By the way, because we've seen how the powers of B can find ways to manipulate things

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 Do you think that this would be something that?

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 Stay true to how it was intended or designed

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 Well, I'm designing it with a system of checks and balances

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 So that to me keeps the bipartisan the way the structure of the super back funding is set up that they're supporting all these

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 can is same and that their check and balance on the system is that

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 The constituents have to show up say we pick a district and the constituents just bail and don't show up

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 I don't think the super back should be on that hope to fund that

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 contest winner if they didn't really win a

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 So maybe that's a carrot that the super PAC says that you got to get 50,000 people to vote

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 And so there's those things that I try to design into the system that they are as separate entities that put the

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 Inability to corrupt the system

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 You look at voting corruption we're also looking at doing some things that I think are unique

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 We can make a virtual polling location be an apartment building and you could have poll workers that could go, you know

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 Say, oh, yeah that guy's dead or he did vote didn't you know

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 I mean so you can shrink this down and do some new creative things because once you

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 Basically don't make this a system to go through lawmakers to make changes you do whatever you want

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 You and now we're business people and tech professionals creating a system that we would for commercial market, you know making

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 Bombarded with text messages, you know, that's their idea of tech technology. Yeah

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 Bombard us with text messages. Yeah, we're strange phone calls

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 From numbers we don't recognize

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 That's for sure

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 So this this can lead to not just giving candidates an even playing field

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 But possibly also give us a better way for people to vote for example

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 So it sounds like you're laying the infrastructure. You're doing everything you need to do to make sure we have even an actual fair elections

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 Unfortunately, not I mean, I think that you know, this is a nominating system non-election system

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 I do think that we can provide a model for how it ought to work

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 I do want to put the primary system out of business. I think it does not but in terms of the general election

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 Legislation would have to pass, you know, we're gonna get a

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 Better candidate on the ballot and it might actually be a thing

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 We're whoever wins this contest just gets elected by default because the people right that this is a fair way to do it

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 But the end of the day

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 Legislation has to pass and I just think you can't fix the system till we break it

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 You know, we have to break the two parties to the point where we now

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 Free and equal candidates that are

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 Representatives that are in there that aren't bound by money who actually can force that legislation to change to make the life

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 Understood. So we're gonna start by putting the nominees that people actually want on the ballots and then after that

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 We'll see where it goes. Do you see do you see what you're working on now though going into that though into?

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 Offering an alternative to how how the general election is handled. I

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 Think it should I mean and we're able to I mean, there's a lot of good things that are happening

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 A lot that's happening mobile voting. I was surprised how far along that is

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 I mean, I thought we were gonna spend millions to build that we're gonna be able to leverage technology that already works already proved

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 Been running in states for five ten years

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 Lots been done for the military to make sure that people on submarines or in battlefields

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 Can't get balance out can vote

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 So the government invests some money in blockchain technology and highly encrypted forms

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 But submitting balance and we're gonna leverage that our systems probably can be more secure than the the current system

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 Jessica's a bar will be higher for us

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 Hmm, that's good here. So

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 As far as what you see now

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 With with the midterms you have any opinions on what's going on these days or or no?

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 You know, I stay try stay focused on this is just kind of depressing and I'm really

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 Not a fan of the two-party system. So if you're following this you just get depressed about how awful the system works

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 so I try to keep my head buried in

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 Doing this and making sure that you know, we

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 Continue to make steps and I you know about my background is in business

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 That involved a couple startups and you know political parties fail

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 So I'm gonna launch this like a business because that doesn't succeed. All they have to do is get the next step of the plan

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 So I'm not gonna rush this along

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 We're gonna continue to plod down this path and release this like a product that's trying to win customers

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 And there's right now there's a lot of citizens that are starving for a better system

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 So I think we have put a better product out there. I think there'll be demand

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 So how would this be adopted though like who's gonna adopt it who's gonna regulate it

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 Who's going to make sure it gets in the hands and accessible to the people because right now?

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 Sounds like you're gonna be the third-party company that's developing it

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 But then how is it going to be monitored and who's gonna do the oversight of it?

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 Let's say the local communities with three entities that are involved in the super PAC like I said would

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 Right oversee the the party itself will validate the results

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 So we would make sure that two things that the that the results are audited

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 And also that they follow the fair process so that they didn't allow people to cheat

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 So there is a role the party to provide oversight to make sure that people aren't

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 Bastardizing the process because the integrity is everything and and we can I think you know

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 Probably happen is that if people don't follow the process or that we will disqualify that contest because that's the

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 Thing it should really bother the people about you know why the parties don't disqualify some of their candidates

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 You know they find out that they lied about the credentials and things like that

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 It's like if they have money

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 That's all that matters and I think when you have a moneyless system it allows you to

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 Make the rules matter. I mean it's the way this for the Olympics

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 Hmm, so we're gonna need buy-in from both major parties to adopt the system and

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 You know aside from that like what you just said

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 You know truth and candidacy right like actual transparency

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 Would that be part of what you offer in this app or in this technology?

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 Where it would be able to verify candidates actual background and make sure they're actually who they say they are

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 So the local committee is gonna act like more like an HR department

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 They're gonna do a background check reference checks that they're not gonna screen people out

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 So they're just gonna make sure that they if they said that they served in the seventh infantry battalion that they actually did

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 I mean to me it's just ridiculous

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 It's these Kennedy is this far down the road and didn't work there where they said they worked or serve where they said

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 They serve so we're they're gonna be criteria that also

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 You know that there is gonna be some standards in terms of language

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 I mean, we're not gonna let people just go in there and make a mockery of the system and

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 Those are probably our only two

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 criteria just making sure that people are being honest about what they report that they did and that they aren't you know,

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 They said trying to create a this is a serious business. It's not but that's not crazy because

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 Anybody who's running is applying for your actual job

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 Yeah, and you're working for the people so why shouldn't we have these things in place?

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 It's it'd be interesting to see that in action though where it was like

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 It would it be an alert to everybody like a candidate said this but this is the reality or would it be like an internal

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 private thing between the the the candidate and

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 And for example the organization going hey, by the way, here's what you said. This is yeah. Well

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 No, they won't get on the platform to begin with got it. So if that happens

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 It's like so all the candidates will be submitting their information in advance of getting out the contest starting

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 So they'll be that initial screening then after that

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 I mean, there's some thought that there might be an additional question

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 They do another 30 second or 60 second PSA after every round in the virtual town hall round

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 Also, they'll be submitting PSA. So that will all

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 Managed and you know overseeing to keep it clean to the debate will be recorded

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 We're not gonna let them step on each other

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 All the things that people want we're gonna do they don't know I understood

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 I just brought that up because you know, like I've been an employer as well

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 I've owned six businesses and I'm gonna tell you that things slip through the cracks you find out about people later

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 So you never know so just wondered like, you know, let's say they get through

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 the preliminary for example hiring process and quotes here and

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 And we find out later as they're out there and and they're they're up there doing their debates and present themselves

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 Information comes out later, right?

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 So, you know, I was just wondering like would that be a controlled situation like between whichever organization to candidate and say, okay

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 You're now you can't you can no longer run after that point

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 Would that be one of those checks and balances in place?

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 Yeah, like I said, I think we would try to make sure that that didn't get on the platform

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 In the first place, I think right in terms of being disqualified. We're really more

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 Money aspect of this to me that's that would be the part that we

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 be really concerned about now people still be able to promote on social media and

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 Okay, so let's talk about the month let's talk about the money though Tom would you propose a

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 budget for each candidate for example

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 That would that would get the funding like it would only be so much money and that's it

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 Or would you leave the door open or propose leave the door open?

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 Well, if you can pull in 30 million dollars, then fine you get 30 million dollars or

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 We set a limit to that during the contest. There's no money. No understood

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 After the contest the super PACS gonna back the right in it

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 and I think we would say that the only person that can back the candidate is the super back because if they're now getting

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 Potentially separate money and that person might have strings attached that we don't want to have any

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 We want a super PAC that's backing all the candidates

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 Because now it's I understand that but what my question is is this um

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 You know you're gonna regulate the your okay

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 You want to regulate the process to get all nominees on even playing field so that they can be you know?

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 Nominated but after that the super PAC will be obligated to back whichever candidate comes ahead

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 My question is would you take it a step forward for example because you brought the money a few times

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 To work with the super PACS or whoever is going to regulate whatever the parties to be like

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 Okay, both candidates super PAC. Thank you for backing

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 But you could only back up to this amount of money, or would you just leave it open to how the idea is?

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 We're trying to take out the Republican or Democrat so right. I think you you got to take the the

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 Gloves off you got to let them win and so no restrict may determine that you know in this one district

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 They got to try harder because it's New York City and the advertising more expensive than the side

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 Places in a place where the advertising you know so from that standpoint

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 I think you just have to say you do what you have to do to win because the most important thing to me is that

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 It's to is to make sure we are no longer in a two-party system, right?

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 And to do that you got to take out those

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 The competition so this would hopefully give those people a chance against those who've built up for example a war chest, right?

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 Yeah, yeah, no so the the money

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 Issue is tricky because the the one thing I didn't mention is one of the conditions of the super PAC funding is that the candidate

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 Has still let the person on the local committee be their treasurer and that they'll either empty the account at the end of the

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 General election cycle or return the money to the nominating committee no war chest the other rule

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 Which is also unique is that the candidates are not allowed to contribute money to their own campaign

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 That goes beyond what a normal citizen can you contribute so the max donation for Congress is

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 $2,700 that candidate can only put

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 $2,700 into their own campaign now. It's unlimited. You know people who put as much money

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 The Virginians rich people buy seat in Congress and that is not exactly a free and equal system

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 Yeah, no, that's that's not a fair system

420
00:31:45.700 --> 00:31:51.280
 So you got you got you got legacy families and politics with deep pockets through relationships and etc

421
00:31:51.280 --> 00:31:52.920
 And that's like you're never gonna win against those people

422
00:31:53.120 --> 00:31:59.780
 So the framers hated inherited power and the idea that people because of their family name family money

423
00:31:59.780 --> 00:32:03.400
 I mean, they'd be crapping their Crips that they saw what was going on

424
00:32:05.460 --> 00:32:07.120
 They would oh

425
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:13.020
 Man I hope that you can get this rolling though. So you said you had no rush, but what's your goal?

426
00:32:13.320 --> 00:32:18.680
 Like how soon do you actually want to get this rolled out? I would have loved to have it for this year

427
00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:21.940
 I mean that was a cool thing 250th birthday

428
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:28.000
 So but we just did not we really have to take this one step at a time

429
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:33.840
 I think get this in the ends of public attract the super packed donor a big big number

430
00:32:33.840 --> 00:32:37.300
 I think once that happens we can move quickly if that happened

431
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:43.220
 George's that some rich listeners listening your show today and that happened we could probably hit

432
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:50.080
 Ten or twenty districts in this cycle. I mean, there's still a window see rich listeners need to donate

433
00:32:51.360 --> 00:32:54.220
 Well, we don't it and we like said something to

434
00:32:55.420 --> 00:33:00.820
 Open and run this super back. No. No, I like I like what you're proposing. I think it's something that's long overdue

435
00:33:00.820 --> 00:33:04.800
 I wish we can take it a step further. And like you said just

436
00:33:04.800 --> 00:33:06.020
 Wipe the board

437
00:33:06.020 --> 00:33:06.760
 period

438
00:33:06.760 --> 00:33:14.920
 For everybody and how our elections are handled and bring all things under your system that you're proposing, you know, that would be amazing

439
00:33:16.320 --> 00:33:16.840
 so

440
00:33:16.840 --> 00:33:20.060
 Let's let's talk about where people can find you

441
00:33:20.840 --> 00:33:26.280
 First off I know you're getting your website. I think you're redoing it right now. But anyway, I know I know it's up

442
00:33:26.280 --> 00:33:27.160
 I've been there

443
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:31.580
 So you want to tell people about that and how they can donate and support you and what they can do to help

444
00:33:31.580 --> 00:33:37.220
 Your your absolutely. I think you know, I think the most important thing like so this is a big paradigm shift

445
00:33:37.220 --> 00:33:43.560
 It's a it's a change from where we are. So learning about what we do if you go to

446
00:33:43.560 --> 00:33:47.020
 Main Street party org. There's a page called a brand new way

447
00:33:47.020 --> 00:33:53.760
 There's a one minute video on there that describes how the contest work and there's also a description of the five

448
00:33:54.100 --> 00:33:56.000
 Rounds of voting that we describe

449
00:33:56.000 --> 00:34:03.040
 And then there's also a proof of concept page where you can see download videos of how the profile page and how the issue

450
00:34:03.040 --> 00:34:07.400
 And how these different things work, it's not a usable app. It's a

451
00:34:07.940 --> 00:34:15.120
 Demonstrable app so that we the college students recorded, you know how this works, but pretty soon I'd say within weeks

452
00:34:15.120 --> 00:34:17.120
 We'll have something that's downloadable

453
00:34:17.860 --> 00:34:21.179
 That we can put on the phone. I I have it that it

454
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:25.659
 Shows on my phone. It looks like it's gonna look it's getting really close. Nice

455
00:34:26.139 --> 00:34:27.880
 but our goal is that within

456
00:34:28.520 --> 00:34:33.820
 Hopefully a month or so that we will have a contest running every week with fake

457
00:34:33.820 --> 00:34:39.679
 Avatar candidates, but people can play with the system start to learn what this is about. That's awesome

458
00:34:41.380 --> 00:34:45.560
 If there's anything else you want to add let's I mean your floor is yours

459
00:34:45.560 --> 00:34:51.360
 Yeah, well the other thing that we had worked on there's a website called wilson's fountain.us

460
00:34:52.040 --> 00:34:58.000
 Covers more the whole concept but over the past year. I hired a number of students that wrote papers

461
00:34:59.120 --> 00:35:02.380
 on like the impact of free and evil elections one of them

462
00:35:03.420 --> 00:35:05.540
 Talks about this impact of

463
00:35:05.540 --> 00:35:10.140
 Congress and how we go from a two-party system to a no party system

464
00:35:10.140 --> 00:35:17.200
 And how it impacts economically so if the people really curious about that kind of stuff and the history of James Wilson

465
00:35:17.200 --> 00:35:24.940
 They can find that on wilson's fountain.us. It's an educational site. It's kind of a sandbox for this project. That's awesome

466
00:35:24.940 --> 00:35:26.760
 good information listen

467
00:35:27.640 --> 00:35:32.360
 I'm gonna let you go here because I know you got some things you're trying to deal with over here

468
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:37.700
 You got a lot going on but but I'm gonna say this I appreciate this conversation because it's not often

469
00:35:37.700 --> 00:35:43.300
 I get too many people on here that actually are offering solutions to problems. We usually you know, we talk about what's happening

470
00:35:43.300 --> 00:35:50.000
 We're always speculating giving our opinions, but you're actually giving or offering or and working on a solution to a problem

471
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:54.660
 We actually have which is great. So I do appreciate your time and talking about that. I do

472
00:35:56.400 --> 00:36:00.420
 No, just get to it this is what it is I love it. Thank you very much

473
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 Devils hide behind redemption honesty is a one-way gate to hell