Decoding Politics, Misinformation, and Geopolitics with George Fontes (Guest on FAFO Podcast)

0:00 And welcome once again to the FAFO podcast. And today on the FAFO podcast, I'm joined by somebody who spends an unhealthy amount of time doing something I've become pretty familiar with myself, digging through headlines, competing narratives, source material, and political bullshit, trying to figure out what the hell actually happened. George Fontes is the host of World Ablaze, where he covers politics, current events, international conflicts, and geopolitics. He describes himself as mostly center and often right-leaning, but what caught my attention wasn't where he lands politically.

0:51 it was his willingness to talk with people who don't agree with him and his belief that you should understand the opposing argument before deciding it's wrong. He shows us also he uses open source intelligence, or I'm just going to call it Asit. I'm not sure what he calls it, but we'll find out as part of researching stories and controversial claims. George didn't start as a political commentator, though. He spent years as an entrepreneur and working in event production before COVID hammered that industry. Eventually, after listening to enough political podcast and thinking, these guys don't know what the hell they're talking about. He did the most reasonable thing possible. He bought a microphone and joined them.

1:32 And this should be interesting because F-A-F-O lives by facts, truth, no BS. While George describes world ablaze in pretty damn similar terms. So today, we're going podcaster to podcaster about politics, geopolitics, misinformation. information, awesome media bias, echo chambers, researching controversial stories, disagreeing without actually hating each other, and whether any of us can still tell the difference between being informed and simply being told exactly what we already wanted to hear. George Fontes, welcome once again to the FAFO podcast, man. Thanks for being here. Mr. Chad Martin, thank you for having me.

2:12 Dude, I'm so excited about this because I feel like the chains feel like they're just falling off. I feel a little freer today than normal. I hear you. And I love that feeling, actually, because you kind of understand being a podcast host yourself. Sometimes you're kind of really catering to your guests a lot of times. It's real easy to get into that mode. I know I do a lot, and we were talking about that before. But for you, for what you are and what you become and you're building World of Blaze, how did this all happen for you? Happened very close to what you said in the introduction.

2:52 So, Chad, I've always been into politics to a degree. Now, that being said, being in the arts, for example, being a musician, I was a drummer for many, many years in many bands, played some big shows, small shows, etc. Then gravitated more into the engineering side. So then became, you know, got into actually being a live sound engineer for live production, live events, concerts. I was actually, you know, a couple of shows. I did Charlie Daniels as a monitor engineer. I've, you know, mixed for Craig Morgan. I've done all kinds of stuff, you know, and all through my own company, by the way. And so being in that industry, everything's artsy. And being where I live in California, close to the Bay Area, San Jose, Santa Clara, San Francisco, there's only so far you can go with how you really feel about things.

3:41 And oftentimes, it was really coming down to like, well, I got to be careful how I respond, even though if someone cracks a joke, a political joke, because it could literally mean you lose the contract, right? Yeah. It's so tribal out there. And so you're always walking on eggshells to balance income and business versus, I heard enough of your bullshit, but I can't call you out on it because I got to bite my tongue and do this job. And I always found it interesting that you had to walk that fine line because the client or the tribe, so to speak, right? Everybody's like sheep out here. It's all groupthink. And they could think the one thing, as long as it's left, you can do whatever you want. As long as allegedly Democrat, part of the Democratic Party way of thinking, which really it isn't because they're so far from old school Democrats.

4:27 It's not even funny. But if you're part of that, I don't know, lib think, whatever they call it out there, the Bay Area thing, you can do no wrong. But as soon as you put someone in their place or call them out, not even in a mean way, by the way, just be like, well, you said this, but I actually read this. You're shunned. And so you're always walking that tightrope of, do I keep the contract? Can I stay cool with everybody to keep the income coming in? Or do I just tell people how I feel? Now, this is going to lead to your question. And so with all that being said, I nearly lost the business during COVID pandemic because every industry seemed to be able to operate except for the events, entertainment industry, those and restaurants, but even restaurants found a way.

5:12 We couldn't do anything for a long time. And even when they opened it up after COVID supposedly was done, it was a struggle to keep things going because people were still kind of like, well, can we do this? Can't we do this? And then some people got funding by the government. Some didn't. Many people abused it. And then even with that, to this day, it never came back like it was, Chad. It's still a struggle. It's not the same. But anyway, that gave me the opportunity to basically get behind, like you said, the microphone. And I was always listening to podcasts that became even more prevalent and popular during the pandemic because all of a sudden, what else are you going to do? Everybody bought a mic and they were talking, right? It's like, hey, this is the way we can communicate.

5:52 So they basically took what they would do on Zoom and Teams meetings and goes, well, I guess I'm not really working. I guess I could just talk whatever shit I want. Some of it caught up to people. Some people got canceled, etc. but most people found their niche and they went on with it. I heard these people and I got to the point where I was like, look, I'm fighting the same fight everybody else in this pandemic. I'm trying to save a business. Okay. I have bills to pay and I have to hear these people talk out their ass as if they know what they're talking about, but they really don't. They're just all, again, they're part of the same tribe speaking that lib talk. And I'm not trying to offend liberals or Democrats. It's just, this is what I'm dealing with in my area and in the industry I'm in. So I thought, why not?

6:34 Let me give this a shot. Let me go ahead and talk. But I try to take it a little bit different approach to where I'm kind of a facts and data guy. I want to go beyond the headlines. I always say that most people live on the surface of information. A lot of people don't think critically. Again, it's group think. It's whatever their hero says and they believe. Their leader, that's what they fall in line with. But I was always like, well, that doesn't quite make sense or add up because according to this report from CNN, from Fox, from Reuters, from wherever, whatever sources you can gather, there's always some kind of conflict. You've also got to compare and contrast. Well, how consistent is the story? Who's telling the story? Who's behind the story? Who owns the company? There's all these things.

7:14 So I would always take those deep dives. Now, even then, I still get some stuff wrong. I'm not going to lie to you. Oh, yeah. We're not always going to get it right. But anyway, that's kind of how I got into this. And it started with me being primarily a solo podcast. and I do like doing that because that's when I get to do my deep dives. I took a big interest in geopolitics, okay? Because everybody was talking domestic politics and it was just, again, it was my team versus your team bullshit. Oh, yeah. But they weren't looking at the big picture. They weren't looking at the relationships between the US, for example, the Middle East, Russia, China. They weren't really paying attention to what was going on or let's say the nefarious forces outside of the borders that had ill intent towards us in the United States of America.

7:59 But anyway, I was always interested in the big picture, the macro, all the intricacies of how the world works. Like if President Trump says this, it's going to piss off Emmanuel Macron, for example, which is fine by me. Or it's going to piss off Canada. Whatever. Which is fun. But then it's also like, well, if Xi Jinping says this or does that, how does that affect the US relationships? How does it affect our trade relationships? Right? So there's all these things going on that most people ignore. And I also found that most geopolitical podcasts, very informative, but fucking boring. If I may, I already told you some of these are going to fly. So don't be- You're true.

8:39 That's true. You're boring, Chad. You're boring. Yeah, I get you. So I tried to balance being very informative. And I'll be honest, some of my episodes are very wordy. They really are. But I try to balance that. I try to do a little bit of that. I invite the right SMEs. I was fortunate enough to have a few people in the intelligence community come on that I still stay in touch with. And I'm not saying we talk every day, but I'm not shunned. So it's not like they ignore me either. And that was very, very eye-opening too to soak up their approach and how they look at things and how they go about trying to find information and how they question things, for example. And also how they present it because those guys aren't trying to offer a solution.

9:20 They're just saying, this is happening. Here's what's behind it. This is the options. And they just kind of leave it there like, you know, because that's what they're used to. They can't make decisions for the leaders, right? Yeah. But they can inform them. They can do their due diligence to make sure that the leader themselves make an informed decision. So, you know, it was interesting to talk to those people. And I always like having them on. In fact, I have one person Sunday we're going to be recording. So we're going to be talking about Ukraine and Russia war and how all that's been progressing. Oh, I bet that's fascinating. Yeah, I'm definitely going to have to tune into this podcast. It's going to be interesting, yeah. Because I love those conversations.

10:01 I love hearing people who've researched what the hell they're talking about. Like, it really does matter. And I looked at the FIFA Cup this year. Of course, so many people have. And you've seen the videos on YouTube as well as I have. But it was a big eye-opening experience for those people abroad who get their news a certain way. and that's all they have to go by when it comes to the US and who we are over here. And then they experience it. And that's like, what the fuck? Wait a minute. There's nothing like they say back home that you people are. And I feel like that is that way. It seems everywhere.

10:41 And some of it is by design and some of it is by sheer ignorance on the people digesting the information. So when you go into your episodes or you're putting together a show, what line do you take when you're trying to get your point across on whatever topic is you're tackling that day? Line or approach? Well, it's really both. So it's when you're taking that approach to the topic, let's just go with that. When you're taking that approach, where do you start when you're putting that show together? Well, so the way I choose how I put a show together, it's because there's always something happening, right?

11:21 Yeah. And for me, I guess it's whatever interests me. I try to stay relevant. So my approach to an episode, now we're talking podcasts, behind the curtain people. Sure. The way I approach things, I try to do no more than three topics because I find that if I stick to one and it's so long, you lose people. Yeah. Okay. And also, I used to do just once a week. So when I was doing once a week, there's just a plethora of events and things that happen that, I mean, you'll never get on top. at all. So what I try to do is zero in on the three that are most relevant. I'll try to do something domestic. I will obviously do something geopolitical. And I'll try to do something that affects society, that challenges societal norms, for example. And that's kind of the formula I have right now. And so when we were... I mean, I don't want to... I think everybody's already beat the Lindsey Clancy case as far as they could. But just using that as an example, that is definitely something that challenged societal norms, right?

12:24 It was, to me, the acceptance that, yeah, it's okay to kill your child as long as you can prove that you were not medicated properly or that your practitioners abused the system and didn't truly listen to you and believe that you had a condition, etc. And that was very interesting how I can find online, everybody. Everybody can find online and any news outlet would basically report that there were people that were okay with this. The act, because there was an excuse behind the act that was acceptable to mostly women. And so and it not me making an anti statement by the way it just that what happened Yeah And then we fast forward to other things like what going on with the Converse ad right Now that happening now And that's very interesting because it's like you see a reaction by so many people that are trying to find something that literally isn't there.

13:15 And I don't know if it's people have become so used to being bombarded with misinformation or narratives or whatever it is that they're just so desensitized that if there isn't some kind of conflict or strife in their life or something that they have to shout and scream about, they have to find it. And to me, that's also what happened with the conference. So basically, these are just kind of examples of what would stand out to me. Yeah. And also, if I don't do that, Chad, it'll be like, because where I live in California, I also try to focus on local politics. Because I also believe that if you're not basically contributing and controlling your own backyard, you can't really look out towards the rest of the nation.

13:57 Everything really starts from the bottom and goes up. It's small and then blows out like that. And so you have to be able to look at local politics, get involved, understand who your school board members, who your city council members are, your county clerks, etc. All this matters to you every day on a personal level. And if that's where it starts, if you can control that and you can determine that you're voting the right people in to make a good life for yourself and set the precedent for how you should live and how the United States maybe should be built upon. some kind of principle that actually has been proven and tested. Once you can do that, then you're ready to take on the big stage.

14:40 We're talking about national, federal. But the problem is most people ignore that. So I do like to focus on that as well. So I hope that gives you kind of an answer. I don't really just wake up and go strictly geopolitical. What's Trump doing? And how's Iran happening right now? Those are all concerns. But I don't want to keep talking about the same thing over and over and over. So you got to have room to grow and give yourself some breath to tackle other things that are also of importance. But I still stick to that formula. I try to do domestic politics, I mean, some societal issue and definitely a geopolitical issue. That's basically how I approach it. It's just the world right now is so fascinating and so strange.

15:24 I mean, sadly, I've been alive a long time now. But it's weird seeing how it was when I was growing up. and you see how my kids have it now and what they're experiencing. And I say, hell, I'm experiencing it too. I mean, I'm still kicking dirt here. Right. And when you experience that and you see it, and you see like it seems like we have gone backwards in our thinking. Like you mentioned critical thinking. It's certainly something that is completely lost today. We're in that TikTok world now where you've got a 15-second attention span. And if you can't get your information in 15 seconds, and it's whatever you get in there is what you're going to believe now. It is just mind-blowing that some of these people can even function.

16:06 I'll be honest, and I've seen them. Lindsey Clancy case, that really fascinated me for that aspect more than anything because so many people were so invested and for some reason, just behind her all the way, I'm like, you know she's not the first female to kill her kids and be crazy different. What made her so special at this point in time that now that's what we're jumping on. And then conversely with Spencer Pratt out in California. Yeah. It shed a huge, huge, just not a microscope, but a telescope on that whole situation out there. It truly is fascinating. It is.

16:46 It's fascinating to see the regression of society, to see it literally degenerate before our eyes. Yeah. Because we can compare and contrast where we're at to like the fall of the Roman Empire, for example. strong empire, long history. If it wasn't for them, I mean, come on, we wouldn't have democracy. There's so much that they gave the world. But they also got to a point where they kind of peaked and maybe became bored. And then they got in their own heads that, oh, well, I don't have a certain level in society. So they started acting like there were gods and kings, etc. And they degenerated. Then they started having, I mean, not literal transgenderism. They weren't having surgeries per se. but they started going the route of what you see America going through right now.

17:31 I mean, there's so much comparison going on right now that led to the fall of the Roman Empire. And I don't know if the US is going to be there soon, but if we don't course correct, we will be there for sure. Because I do see morals, I see values, I see customs and culture just slowly deteriorating before our eyes. And we're doing it to ourselves through empathy and acceptance and DEI and whatever other three-letter word or moniker you want to throw at it to represent the situation we're in or whatever it is they're doing. But it's intentional. It's self-inflicted. Or is it?

18:11 Is it outside influence? Is it literally Russia? Is it China? I'll forget. China has a thousand-year plan, maybe, to take down the West and the United States. And Russia also has a plan that they've used in their communist playbook. I forgot who it was that was interviewed, but there was a Russian spy that literally laid it out for everybody years and years ago and said, the way to change society is basically what's going on now, what we see now. You manipulate the educational system. You get in the minds of the young children. You basically teach them what you want them to be. You're designing your own product is what you're doing. Yeah. And you can shape society and you can shape the entire United States of America just if you can control the educational system.

18:54 and we can make some valid arguments that that's happening right now. I know I'm just spitballing and throwing a lot of stuff out here, but I don't think many people cannot step back and think about what I'm saying for a second and go, you might have something there. Even if it's a little something, it's going to lead you down that rabbit hole if you want to really dive into it. But it really is. And that is the thing. I mean, it's hard not to see it. Really, you have to really be trying hard not to recognize what's kind of happening out there. And that might be the most frightening part of it. Like when I hear a certain segment of the population talk, and you know what they're saying is bullshit. Like it's like there's no way you literally got up and thought this yourself and thought this is how the world is or this is the way I should see things.

19:39 I mean, there's obviously some kind of, and I don't even want to call it a sigh, but it's funny. I've heard that word like four or five times today in different podcasts talking about the sigh-opping of America and where we're at. And it's not really that far-fetched of a term when you really start looking at it, especially in our university system the way it is right now. I mean, then when we had Charlie Kirk, his death anniversary was just a few days ago. I mean, you're not talking that long ago, a couple of weeks now. And it's the mindset of people these days, especially young people, I don't think I've ever seen it before. And it's not just young people, by the way. Because I have seen many people my age and older wrapped up in it as well.

20:23 Is this more just of a thing of people's unwillingness to learn what's going on and just take old school, what they consider old school news at base value as those being the forbearers of truth and justice? Well, I think what we're both talking about without really saying it is, first, let's define what we're actually trying to get at. I think we're both kind of just dancing around it. What I believe we're discussing, what we need to define is what's going on with the United States of America. Yeah. Because what it looks like, what it feels like for many years now, is a direct attack on trying to topple the United States of America. And or if they can't directly topple it, obviously it's not going to happen kinetically because we own way too many weapons more than most other nations' militaries.

21:09 Just the citizens themselves. So the other way they're going to do it is through our own political system, through our educational system. And we see that happening. So it looks like there's been a button pressed and the plan to topple the US has been fast-tracked. And where I'm going with this is obviously, I hate to always bring it up, but I have to because it's happening in real time, is the acceptance of socialism, the acceptance of DSA candidates, Democratic socialists, which they're not really Democratic because they have too many Marxist-leaning people. their organization, which happened back in 2023. And so when we're looking at the adoption of the DSA, all the money behind them and the push and the strange relationship that the Democratic Party has with the DSA, it really seems that there's a concerted effort to take down the United States from within. And if it doesn't die as a nation, as in get rebranded with a new flag, etc., it's definitely going to become something different than what we know today, definitely politically. And the only way they're going to change it is through the political system.

22:14 Because again, they can't do it kinetically. They can't do it through war. It'll be way too hard. But they can do it by electing DSA agents. Now, what I found crazy is through the primaries, there was already, I think, 123 DSA candidates that got elected to be on the ballot in November for the midterms, 19 of those being congressional candidates, most of those for Senate. So if you can control the Senate, if you can control any part of Congress with socialists, and they can block anything that makes sense for the United States in terms of codifying anything in the law or passing anything, they're going to try to inflect their socialist views. Now, we already have some of those people there.

22:54 We got Ilhan Omar. AOC believes she's a socialist. Now, Bernie always was. I never understood that one. And so we were seeing Mamdani, for example, the experiment, I call him, in New York that has been elected. We have Al-Sayed trying to get elected. And we have an intertwining of two things. There's both socialism and Islamism. And the crazy thing is the Muslims or Islamists that are involved in the TSA even call themselves Islamic socialists, which is not really too far-fetched or really too far off the mark of what they really are. And I think that you're seeing socialism and you're seeing extreme Islamism both working together to be more powerful, to gain a bigger audience, to get elected.

23:41 But even if they're successful, they're going to be fighting each other. So to define what's happening, we are looking at a direct attack on the United States that looks like it's been ramping up the last 16 years, 12 to 16 years. But it seems like someone flipped a switch because ever since Trump 2.0, it has been on overdrive. It's been thrown in our faces. They're not even trying to push wokeism, cancel culture, nothing. They're just saying capitalism's failed. Look at everybody who can't afford a home. They're trying to cry if they have a housing shortage. There's an economic situation. Yeah, the economy sucks. I'll admit it right now. But still, they're trying to use everything that has happened since the pandemic as a way to make an argument to adopt socialism without ever really showing the example of where it failed, such as Cuba, Argentina, and Venezuela, for example, right in our own Southern Hemisphere.

24:33 And so that's what we're seeing right now. We're seeing it ramp up, Chad, in my opinion. I believe that is the conversation. We're seeing people believe that the US is evil. We've seen people start to become unpatriotic. we see how we just had the 25th anniversary of 9-11 and so many people had a negative opinion of the u.s as in well if it wasn't for the u.s's actions this never would have happened in the first place right but they ignore the reasons we were there and we're ever there anyway right they don't even know why we're in afghanistan they have no idea why we got involved in the in the beginning had nothing to do with al-qaeda or isis that came later it all had to do with stopping communism because a lot of people don't realize the ussr at the time we're the ones trying to control the area. They were the ones trying to make relationships with the Shah before the current regime took over and took power in 1979 in Iran. The reason we're there in Afghanistan is before the same reason. We're training the resistance forces to fight against communism.

25:31 We didn't fund terrorists or tournament terrorists. We trusted Pakistan to broker that money because allegedly they knew what was going on in the area and who should get the money and who we can trust. But little old Pakistan decided, well, we got this guy over here I really like. I know he's a jihadi terrorist. I know he is, but we're going to give him a little money. Maybe he'll work out. That's what happened. And when people talk about the Iran thing, like how we helped overthrow the Shah, the only reason we there is because our ally at the time the UK asked us to be there And that referring to Operation Ajax We didn want to go there We trying to support our ally because the UK was losing their grip on the control of oil in Iran when the Shah decided to nationalize it. And then he reached out to the good old US, the UK, and said, hey, can you help us out over here?

26:14 Yeah, sure. We did in World War I and II. We'll go again. Let's go and help you on this one. We didn't go there just to go there. Sure, we did some bad things. I'll admit it. I mean, we're not a perfect nation whatsoever. But I think a lot of people miss the context and they miss the real information behind what's going on. And they're doing exactly what you said earlier, Chad. They're just believing their favorite news outlet, their narrative, their favorite political influencer, their favorite social media star in Darling. And they're just taking them for face value. And they just want to be part of the current thing. And that's what we're seeing. And it's very dangerous. It is. One of the most dangerous things you can do is chase the shiny new object. Yes, sir. Because that luster gets wiped off pretty quickly.

26:54 And we are looking at a real-time example in the UK right now. And just what's happening over there is insanity. Because I have a little reaction channel on YouTube that I just love to do. And then I have a crowd that we do a live stream every day. And some of those people are from over there. And it's fascinating to talk to them about just kind of... We don't get deep into the weeds because we're just about music and stuff like that. But every now and then they will mention some of the things that are going on. And it's just, it's kind of, it's like, you know, we can be not far from this if we just collapse to an absolute shit show like the UK government is doing right.

27:42 Yeah. Now you're right. That is a perfect example of becoming a surveillance state, you know, taken straight out of the Chinese communist playbook. China's already there. But the fact that the UK decided to adopt George Orwell's 1984 and apply it in the literal sense is what's ridiculous. Because that's exactly what's going on there. The citizens are being oppressed and arrested for having an opinion on how their culture is being taken away from them. And being forced to accept immigrants that they don't have any room for. Nor do these immigrants even care about acclimating to the culture or becoming integrated. They don't want to. Yeah. Yeah. And I want to preface whatever I say after this about immigrants.

28:22 I don't hate immigrants. That's not the argument I'm making. It's just it comes down to can the nation accept you? As in, do we have room for you? What do you have to offer? And I would expect the same thing of myself if I want to move to another country. What do I have to offer? Will I be able to contribute? Do I accept the culture? The whole reason to uproot yourself and move is for a better opportunity. And if you're going to do that, you're going to do so within the guidelines of that system. And if you don't like the culture, then you shouldn't be trying to set foot there. And so that's what we're seeing in the UK. Now, the government themselves, I don't know what the actual thinking is or the thought process. They're just welcoming them all with open arms. And it's like, look, we get it.

29:04 There's good immigration. There are good people that should live in your nation because they're absolutely smart. Smarter than this guy right here. They contribute a lot to society and we should have those people here, but not if they're going to form their own subcultures, their own communities, their own police forces, their own private gated areas to live in, their own schools, et cetera. That is definitely creating a nation state within a state without actually declaring it. And so that's what we don't need. That's not how you treat another nation. So a nation without borders is what? Just an economic zone. That doesn't make any sense, whatever. No. So we're seeing the UK. I agree with you. It's, it's, it's, it's a warning to the U S. It's a dire warning. And people hate Trump for what he's doing with trying to close borders, etc.

29:48 But we can go back to his first term where he kept trying to do that, control the inflow of actual illegal immigrants coming into this country. And each and every time the Democrats controlled the House and they controlled the Senate. And what did they do? They blocked them every single time or tried to attach some Ukraine funding to it or whatever it is. And nobody talks about that. But now that the border's closed, everything is getting a little bit better in terms of crime, etc. And I want to make this example here because I know there's going to be people listening to this chat. They'll be like, this guy's just a mag or whatever. Of course. I'm not. I'm not. Look, here's some facts, guys. Customs and Border Patrol earlier in the year. I've used this before.

30:29 And I don't know what the numbers are right now, but this was back in, I think this was May when I did this episode. Back then. Now, these are the people they caught. Through our southern border only, not all borders, through our southern border, they apprehended and stopped enough terrorists. I think it was to put 15 terrorists in every state of the United States of America. Good God. 15. That's a small terrorist cell. We've seen the damage what one terrorist or even two can do. I mean, hell, how many were there that pulled off 9-11? Yeah, really. Not very many. No, it didn't take a bunch. No. And so if we had 15 terrorists in every state of the country, these are the ones that they caught known terrorists that doesn't count what they call the gotaways the people that they know probably got in that they couldn't stop this is because the borders were treated as basically a line in the sand that was like well it's a suggestion you can still come over and Trump got ahead of it I know and here's what I'm going to say about Trump I understand I understand the criticism the guy's a hammer dude I get it he's not very diplomatic about this he's like this is what we're doing now I'm smashing it off Okay.

31:37 Okay. I get it. But that's what we're dealing with, Chad. We're dealing with those things. That little piece of data. Imagine 15 terrorists in your city or your state right now plotting to take down America. Imagine 10 states with 15 terrorists. Okay. So now what? We got 150 guys. Okay. And then we just keep multiplying and multiplying. Now we do all 50. I mean, where are we at? At what point is America going to wake up and realize there are people that want to harm you? or people that want to kill you, it doesn't mean that we become insensitive and hate people who absolutely are actual refugees. And there's the other thing with refugees. You have to prove your refugee status. You have to prove that you're being politically persecuted.

32:19 Correct. Et cetera. But people don't realize that's what a refugee really is. It's a person who is literally being politically persecuted. Someone who is really under threat of death by their government and they do not fit that governmental system. They want democracy. Cool. will offer you refuge. But that's not what people see. No, and it's, and I go back to the media with some of this because it's, when people are hollering, well, immigration, Trump said he hates immigrants. I'm like, first of all, that was never said. Nobody has said, I hate everybody who's not in this country. That's not what was ever said. Yeah. And I think he said repeatedly, we just want you to come in the right way.

33:01 You just got to come in the right way. True. Because there are a lot of good people out there. It's the same thing with the claim of Trump being a racist. There's not one time he said, I hate black people or Hispanic people or Barney-looking people. I don't hate the green, purple polka dot people. None of that. But yet, when it comes to the reporting of it, people latch on to the little smallest parts they want because they're sensational. It makes for great clicks. And it really boosts my revenue if I own one of these stations and their social media handles. Absolutely. So it's such a big business, the business of misinformation. It's the business of sensationalism. Oh, yes. Yeah. That's what it is.

33:42 It's the business of sensationalism. It's the business of division. Because if you could keep people divided and arguing over stupid shit, they're going to come back for more. Because now it's my team versus your team, as I said earlier, when it comes to politics. And that's where we're at. Dude, we're playing a football game right now on a field. The only problem is this game could result in the collapse of a nation or a civil war at some point. And it's a very fine balance that's keeping us from getting at each other's throats right now. It's a very... I would say we're at the point of being... It could literally be a hair trigger. You could just blow on the damn thing and it's just going to go off. And it feels at times that's where we're at. It happened with the BLM riots, right? Yep.

34:22 Oh, absolutely. It happened when George Floyd died. Those were opportunities for the left to use to perpetuate hate and to push the narrative. So now all of a sudden, white supremacy is on everybody's minds again. Everybody's a white supremacist just because you're white, I guess. And there's no evidence of it. There isn't. There's always been white supremacist organizations, but nothing has changed or ramped up. We know those people exist. We know the AB exists in Texas. I know how they came together. Yes, they control the prison systems out there, but they're not the threat everybody thinks. Okay? Okay, the threat or the literal terrorists trying to get into the country to destroy this nation. The threat, the biggest threat, by the way, Chad, isn't even just those guys because they're also proxies.

35:05 The biggest threat we have is China, literally, literally. And that goes back to what happened in Venezuela. Everyone's like, oh, Trump's a thug. He's a gangster. He's just going to go and arrest a leader? Okay. China has been our southern hemisphere funding, building roads, giving loans to Peru, to Panama, to Venezuela. I mean, you name it. Cuba. That's exactly what they're doing. They control the ports. They control so much. They have so many people under their thumb. And if we didn't get ahead of that, if we didn't get ahead of that, we would be in some major trouble. Okay?

35:45 Oh, yeah. Yeah. You have, Russia had stuff going on up there, but you know who else did? A lot of people didn't talk about it. It was Iran. Iran was literally building training facilities right out there in Venezuela. Literally. And the drugs, sure, people say there was no drugs. Well, that's some bullshit. There was 240 metric tons of cocaine being shipped out of Venezuelan ports every damn year. Every year, 20% of that went to America. The rest went to Europe. That is a real thing. Maduro literally was giving people safe passage and clearance to transport drugs through their country by the government that Maduro ran. This is reality, people. This is truth. But you don't hear this from too many news outlets because people don't want to believe it. We're just in an age of TDS, Trump derangement syndrome, like literally. Oh, yes. It's hate Trump. And Chad, hating Trump's not a policy. Hating Trump doesn't move the nation forward. Hating Trump does not make my life better or your life better.

36:46 Or the people that actually hate Trump doesn't make their life better either. If we're not going to focus on real policies and talk about real issues and solutions to those, and the only policy that the opposition has is hate Trump and take money from foreign interests. I know everybody talks about the Jews and they rule everything. No. Most of these talking heads are being funded by the Muslim Brotherhood, by CARE, by China themselves, even Russia. Not Israel. and the biggest funder of trying to basically change the narrative and the hearts and minds of people is actually China. It's not even close. It's not even close. I mean, Israel is like down, they're way down comparatively to China, Qatar and other Middle Eastern countries.

37:34 It doesn't come close. It's just so this is one of the reasons I have difficulty sometimes dealing with a certain segment. I'll get ready to do a show and I'm all fired up about it. I do have to take a step back sometimes and go, okay. Before you go here popping off and saying the shit that you were just mad about, you might want to take a breath, buddy, because you're going to go scorched earth on something that you can't take back. And probably not that I would take back anyway, but that's not the point. right? The point is, if I go all scorched earth, then I'm really not getting my point across, because that's exactly what they do on that side, where it's just talk over you, yell over you, and really don't discuss the point or have any facts, which I would love to discuss it with somebody who just said, well, this is where I see it from on that side, right?

38:32 Well, they can sit down and just tell you, this is actually why. But that's not the case. I haven't found anybody who can do that yet. Who can say, well, the reason we don't like Trump is because his skin is just too orange. And I just, I have an aversion to the color orange. And as a Texas Longhorn fan, then I have an aversion to you. So it just a weird mindset that they have And I don know how you get around that I don think you can get around that And so what then would be the solution to avoid that future catastrophe There no avoiding that catastrophe. Look, you're going to have to come to the fact that you're going to have to face them head on, period. Because the reality, Chad, is people are going to believe what they want to believe. Their minds have made up. It's like I said earlier, it's groupthink. It is groupthink.

39:24 and I get it. You know, you want to be accepted, right? Not everyone's a black sheep. Not everybody's going to, or the actual alpha wolf. I'm not calling myself that, but I'm just using it as an example because they lead from behind. They're not out in front. They lead from behind where they can watch the whole pack. They're taking things in and questioning what's the next move and how can I take care of these other wolves? And so the problem is, is the average person doesn't think from that perspective or come from that perspective. They just want to be part of something. and they don't want to be chastised. They don't want to feel like they're on the outs. So if you're going to play ball, and let's go back to the educational system, which is completely liberal, which is completely almost, I mean, let's full-blown socialist at this point, depending on where you live.

40:13 From kindergarten all the way up, the narrative has been chosen and it has been pushed down young people's throats and it's been cramming their heads. and by the time you get to university if you choose to go to university if you don't fit into the way of thinking then you're going to have a hard time with your professors and there's no guarantee you get a good grade but i mean if we're going to be honest for ourselves who gives a fuck about the grades about whether you got the piece of paper to open the door to get interviews that's what it really comes down to absolutely the reality is it's going to be hard to combat anything that we're talking about chat unless we take control of the education if we control the narrative again now i know how that sounds because people just call me a fascist or nazi because oh just like Hitler did, right? No, I don't.

40:54 But maybe let's make it more balanced. I don't mind opposing ideas, but can we tell the truth when we're teaching kids history? Can we not leave out some of the meat that is part of the meal here that we're serving up? I mean, can we give them a full plate and let them choose what they like? And even if they don't like it, at least they got exposed to it and go, all right, fine. I'll keep that in the back of the mind. But we're not doing that. And that's the danger we have is people are afraid to stand on their own and think. And here's the thing, Chad. I'll just use the gender issue, for example. And just an example, I don't want to get in a long discussion of it because whatever. But in schools, it is an issue where a school counselor or psychologist can literally guide your child into believing they should change their gender.

41:47 And we're talking about people in fifth grade. Okay? Yeah. And here's the deal. I don't care what you want to be. Wait till you're an adult. Go ahead. If it makes you happy, that's the thing. If it makes you happy, if you feel that's you, then great, be you. But I don't need a young kid to make a decision based on logic when they haven't even been taught how to think logically from the get-go. They're not in the position to make that kind of a decision yet because they're not developed as a human being yet. Okay? But if you come out the other end and you become an adult, 18, I say let them get to 21, 25, but whatever. I'm just saying once they're an adult, good for you. But I don't need some teacher who's disgruntled because they feel they don't make enough but only work six months out of the year.

42:31 Okay, they work a little longer. And I know this, by the way. I am involved in school. I do a lot of business. So I'm not just talking crap. I know it. They get all this time off. It's almost like working in Congress, I guess. They get all this time off. Now, I'm not going to say it's hard to work with kids. There's certain classes where you're dealing with underdeveloped kids or kids have issues. I know that's hard. I'm not saying it's not. But let's just be honest. I'm talking about the average teacher. You get a lot of time off and your only job is to teach, but you're not teaching. You're just regurgitating the state-approved narratives. And so I put the onus on the teacher. And if they don't like what I'm saying, I can give a damn less because I am seeing the product of their decision to push the bullshit down the throats of the youth.

43:18 And that led us to where we are right now, to where it sounds great to be socialist. It sounds great to maybe adopt Marxist teachings. It sounds great to topple the USA. It sounds great to accept these terrorists and support these terrorists because the USA is bad. We're the gangsters. Okay. Who taught that to them? Where did it start? Yeah. Why did you accept that? Why did you accept teaching that? And I think that's very valid. I mean, it's just, and I do think that's the other thing too, this teaching in our schools now and trying to just turn these kids so early into your version of what you think society needs and should be.

44:01 And again, like going back to that issue, because I'm of the same mindset. I mean, when you become a fully functioning adult and let's not get to the point that a male's brain is not even fully developed until 25 years old, but whatever. Or later. Yeah, exactly. But legally, say you're 18 and you're considered an adult. Yeah. And I'm with you. If you want to dress in a bunny costume and go hopping around the park with your mate, whatever, you hop away. Have fun. But leave our damn children alone. They don't know. They can't decide what they want for breakfast. How the hell can they decide what gender they want to be? Their mood shifts from minute to minute, day to day. They have no concept of that. And for an adult, especially a parent, to push this on a child is a different kind of mental illness within that parent.

44:49 And it is crazy, literally crazy to me to see parents do that to their kids. I agree with that. And I had a guest on my show ask me kind of like what you did earlier. Like, well, what's the solution? How do we approach this? And the problem is, again, I'm not trying to just yell and scream at teachers. I get it. Look, it's hard. I get that it's hard. But for some of you, let's just be honest. It's not. But the question was basically asked, well, how do we change that? How do we control that? And it takes parents stepping up. Okay? It takes you being active in your home with your child because you don't have many ways to control what they're being taught or what they're absorbing.

45:32 That's the reality. Once they're in that classroom, legally, that school has custody of your child until they get back home. That's just how that works. And then so the other thing that you're fighting is the constant narratives being pushed on social media. Anytime they pick up their phone, you can't control that as much as you want to. The only thing you can do is hope that you can instill some values and maybe... I know it's hard. You got a five-year-old, six-year-old, but start introducing some type of logical decision-making whenever you can so that you're still in the conversation. You still have the ability to have those talks and steer them in the right direction.

46:12 And again, people are going to develop. The person that you're raising may not be the person that you thought they would be. But if you're being involved, I believe they're going to end up being a good person. And I think right now it's really hard because we have school districts to deal with. We have social media to deal with. And then we have their friends. You know, you got to also look at the group think. Yeah. I think parents need to be more involved. They need to be parents again. And it's hard because parents are told you can't discipline, you can't teach, you can't do this, you can't do that. Because society has decided you're bad if you actually be a parent, I guess. Which is crazy. So maybe just having those talks and just keep, you know, pushing the values and morals that you were raised on, that made you who you were.

46:55 and try to keep having those conversations as much as they don't want to have them. Try to find a way to get into the conversation, be front of mind. So when they face the situation, it's like, ah, my dad or my mom, you know, we're kind of talked about this. They may not like what you said to them, but I guarantee it'll pop up. No, that's true. Parents have to be engaged in their kids' lives. You can't parent through social media. And I see more parents just willing to hand them off to this and go, here you go, than actually be a parent. Because it's easier just to say, here, please get out of my hair. While I go do the very thing that I'm sending you off to do as well. Well. And that's the sad tragedy of it.

47:36 Because we're in such a victimhood society now. Damn it, Chad. We're going to break the cycle, though. I know it. We're going to break the cycle. But everybody's a damn victim. Everybody's a victim nowadays. You can't look anywhere without somebody being a victim. Perfect. We were talking about earlier, right? Converse hat. You want to talk about being a victim? That is a perfect example of America in a victimhood class right now. We're in a victimhood society because that ad, I couldn't believe that was even a thing. I can't believe I'm talking about it. I said I wouldn't do it. But they looked for what they wanted to see. I mean, who got up and saw that it was someone hanging? How did that represent a lynching and the hood of a KKK man?

48:19 Like really, what you got a freeze frame of one shot of a video like an actual video. It wasn't just a picture. That's right. Hold on. Let me take a snap of this damn thing. Oh my God, that's racist. I can't believe... Shut the fuck up. Are you looking for something? It sounds like you are. They are. It sounds like you're bored with your life and you have nothing else going on and you just want to rage bait for likes and clicks and you want your TikTok to grow. And that's all you did. That's all you did. Yeah. My wife and I went on the YouTube last night before I went to bed and she didn't even know about this because she doesn't pay attention to all this crap. I have to by... That's right. What you do. And that's kind of what you do too. It's like, yeah, you know, these things come up and you're like, do I really want to address this?

49:00 But it sounds like I got a fire truck going by. But she didn't know about it. So I just wanted YouTube. I was just trying to find the full video. That's all I wanted. Like, I wanted to show her the full video. I couldn't get past 200,000 clips of people trying to give their opinion on it. And all of it was like, oh my God, that's right. I can't believe... Sirius? Yeah. Can you explain how you came to that conclusion? Right? the clip you have, you adjusted the color, you adjust the contrast, you enhanced it so that it kind of like really stood out. Like you took a clip of where the light is literally, and I'm in production, I do lighting, like the light's just coming down a certain way at that one particular moment. And then there was this conspiracy guy going off. You look at the shoes around the point of stars and lines with the universe and health, like shut up.

49:43 What are you talking about, dude? What are you talking about? This represents child sacrifice. Like son of a bitch. Like that's where we're living right now, Chad. And it's crazy. It's literally insane, man. Like the whole Sydney Sweeney ad, right? Right. And I'm like, now I'm really not upset about it. Now I'm like, just show me more. Right. Because she's just pissing everybody off by doing nothing but being sexy. The thing that you women said, y'all, you wanted was equal rights for women to let them be who they are. But you don't want to be Sydney. Don't tell me how to dress unless you're a woman that's prettier than me. That's it. That's it. I'm like, what are we doing right now? It's literally insane. And it's so funny.

50:23 And I find myself just like, okay. I love nothing better than the internet Sherlock Holmes, the TikTok Sherlock's, right? They're out here doing their thing. They've got the mystery solved. The Candace Lights. Five minutes. Yeah. That's them, right? They're out there. They got it all figured out. And I do watch a lot of Brandon Tatum because I like the guy. I just really like Brandon Tatum. He's funny. But also, he tries to at least try to approach it from a fact-based thing, which I appreciate. Like we had the boys on from the Nolan Wells case, and they were saying, hey, this is that. And they're giving their sign. They're saying all this stuff. But then you got everybody else who never experienced anything, nothing.

51:05 There's like, well, in that picture, his shorts are dark blue. So they must have been what done it. I'm like, what the fuck are we doing? And they're so serious. And they're just serious. And now that it comes out, like, oh, by the way, everything they said didn't happen, didn't happen. And you don't hear another thing out of any of them. Like, oh, well, I'll find the next thing. Dude, it's the same guys that are like, this event happened on this day when this person was born. The stars aligned a certain way. And, oh, my God, it's a Rothschild. And it goes back 1,000. Yeah. What the fuck? What? How did your brain even work like that to come up with this stuff? And that's the question. How did we get here?

51:47 It's like my brother has a famous name. And we were talking about this way before everybody was making this famous. I'm going to be honest with you. We would always reference society to that movie, Idiocracy. And we're getting there. And then now we have Jake and Logan Paul talking to the military on the Pentagon. Like, what are we doing? What are we... That is crazy. And nothing against those two individuals. I'm just saying, what qualifies you to give speeches to military personnel and people in the Pentagon? Like, let's just be honest. Absolutely. Look, if I was a fighter at the White House, hell yeah. But, I mean, let's just be real about your position in life and what you are. You are an influencer and a YouTuber. And I saw, I think it was Jake Paul's post on X where he was just talking about how, oh, you can't change America from a tweet and this and going, I'm just reading this going, bro, do you not see the irony in your own post?

52:36 Like the whole reason you're invited is because you're an influencer. Like they're just literally tapping into your audience. It's not because you put on boxing matches, bro. That's right. Let's just be real. They don't care. It's the White House trying to grab your audience. They don't give a damn about you outside of that. And no offense to the guy. Look, they put the work in. I'm not going to take that away from them. I'm just saying, I didn't know we're this close to idiocracy. I just didn't know. I just didn't know. I'm just waiting for a Gatorade on the lawn. It's coming. It's coming. Well, because we confuse having a following with being an authority and those are completely different things. Yeah. That's why I hate it when people look at people in Hollywood and go, well, they're a celebrity and they're worth millions of dollars. Therefore, everything they say is the God's gospel, honest truth. They can do no wrong. And they're speaking because they know. I'm like, dude, that fucker only plays a scientist on TV. He doesn't know what any of those words mean? Stop following it. What are y'all doing?

53:34 Oh, it's like, let's use Bill Gates. Okay. I'm not going to try to get you in trouble. Whatever I say, I'm saying it, guys. So if you want to sue someone, go ahead. I don't care less. But let's talk about Bill Gates. The guy got famous from building a company by stealing ideals from other people. Okay. That's the truth. That's how he came up. And not saying he's not intelligent. Okay. But then developed his company, Windows, etc. That's what you're known for, bro. And just because you read books, The world is supposed to accept your view on vaccines, that you're supposed to tell me what to eat, that I'm supposed to accept fake meat in my grocery stores, that you're going to be the one to call as to whether we cull the planet and just reduce the population. What gives him the authority?

54:16 Because he's famous and rich, because he's Bill Gates. Why do people accept him for what he is saying and what he's doing? It's the same example you just made, except I'm calling out Bill Gates because it's like, hold on. why is this guy in Africa giving all these kids hot shots and they're dying of vaccines that don't work exactly what made him the authority on that that makes no sense that we give these people who are famous and rich so much room right we give them so much authority when they're absolutely not the authority on anything outside of what they actually are famous for which in Bill's Gates case is, I don't know, trying to sell DOS and Windows.

54:59 I mean, that's about it. Subscription models. What did he do? That's pretty much it. That's really the whole case with Bill Gates. It is like a lot of these people in Hollywood. I get tickled, especially because even the executives, right? Because here's the deal. You should know, just from a business standpoint, that alienating half of your audience is a dumbass business move to do. Why would you ever consider that to be a smart thing? Like, we're going to take this stand, even though half the country doesn't like it. Therefore, potentially half my profit, I don't get to receive because I've alienated them. And yet, we see it time and time again.

55:42 What's his last name? Alan Rich? Alan Richland. And I love Reacher. I love the show. I'm a fan of that show. And I'm like, this motherfucker. You know what's funny is so Reacher, I watched a little bit of it. It was cool. But what's funny is I was telling my wife about what happened with all of that. And I'm like, nobody wants to support him because of what he did, etc. And then we end up watching this movie he was in, a major movie where it was a comedy. And I'm like, that's pretty good. She goes, well, that's actually unlike. I'm like, I didn't say I didn't like him, for one. It was still pretty good, so whatever. And it was funny.

56:22 Maybe laugh, whatever. But here's where we're at with entertainers and Dolly said it best. She says, I'm an entertainer. I'm not a politician. Right? I don't care that you have a political viewpoint. I don't care. And the thing with Alan, what his problem was is he was never that guy from the beginning. Okay? He flipped the 180. He was happy to take the conservative or MAGA base and get all the money off those people that supported that particular show because that particular show literally targeted those type of people. It was more leaning towards conservatives, people who were ex-military, etc. It was entertainment, right? It was just like, oh, yeah.

57:02 And then he turns on them by saying what he had to say. Now, if that was you from the get-go, it wouldn't have been a shock, but you can't play one character to build yourself up and make money as an entertainer because that's all you really are, and then suddenly have an opinion about something and then you hate everybody for it because they're like, oh, I have a right to say... Well, yes, you do have a right to say what you want to do, but we don't have a right to support you in it either, though. That's right. You can say whatever you want. You can say whatever you want. It doesn't mean we have to accept it. Okay? And that's the... This probably will get me in trouble. It's not, because I don't care. But you look at the whole Me Too movement, right? This is it in a nutshell for me.

57:43 You look at Me Too, Harvey Weinstein, we know he's a piece of trash and all that, but let's not forget the co-conspirators in all of this. And that was the people who chose fame over their own morality. And we can get into, hey, they made me do this or I did it because if I didn't get it, and this is where it is. I don't know how many innocent, truly innocents there were. And there were probably, I'm assuming there are a lot. But there were also those people who said, I'm going to take the fame and I will put up with this other BS. And now that my fame is going away, now I'm really upset about it. So a funny thing, Chad, is I actually said that in one of my shows.

58:23 And I got some flack for it, but I can't realize because we can't ignore the fact that you went through with the act because you wanted that money. You wanted that opportunity. And it doesn't justify what he did. No, no, no, no, it doesn't. And that's not what I'm saying whatsoever. But you can't cry victim when you're also a willing participant. You could have said no and reported him. And if many women did that, it would have stopped it from the outset. It would have been squashed a long time ago. but they didn't. And look, sometimes some people just feel they don't have a choice. You don't know how you're going to react, I guess.

59:05 That's very, very true. I get that. But some of these people, no, they knew exactly what they were doing. And they just didn't like the outcome. And it's like, well, I'm going to take this opportunity now to get even more fame by claiming victimhood. Again, we're in a victim society. That's right. But either way, Harvey Weinstein's a piece of shit. Yes, he is. Regardless, he should never have put them in that position to make that decision. And I don't think he got a harsh enough penalty, if we're just being completely honest here. And I don't. But it does aggravate me, though, when people have no culpability in some of the things that happen to us. There are some things you have no control over. You're right. And shit's going to happen, and it's going to be bad, and I hate that.

59:47 But there are some things that we do have control over that we choose to. To go, I know this is wrong, but there's this thing that I want. There's the but. And that's the terrible part about it. But it is a fact of how it is. And that does happen. And it's happened because it's been verified to happen. They've come out and said it. Well, it's the old saying, how bad do you want it? Yeah. That's more likely where it came from, right? How bad do you want it? That's right. How bad do you really want it? Yeah. And the sad thing is, it's not a new thing. It's probably gone on since the invention of all of this anyway. Absolutely. But, you know, let's get, you know, since we're still on the topic of entertainers, you know, there's a side of me that feels bad for treating them the way we do sometimes because they're human.

1:00:38 I get it. I get you got the opinion. but you're also like you're 24 seven the spotlight and and your your entire existence is built on the the fan base that you build based on how you present yourself and i'm and i'm gonna go back to these people just need to be who they are from the outset and i know it's not good for hollywood but you're gonna find your fan base you're gonna find those i mean look hollywood's probably 99 percent liberal anyway oh yeah then just be that you're not going to have a problem you know and the same thing for musicians you know we're talking about like what happened with macklemore and then yeah he got canceled off that tour and then um what's his name who's the headliner again well ed sharon yeah sharon now he's going around saying the same things macklemore was doing i'm like wait a minute i thought you were against that but now you're out there for free Palestine and it was horrendous.

1:01:40 Does that make any damn sense? What was the whole point of this whole thing if we're just going to come full circle back to that, even though you were chastising Macklemore for doing that? Now, here's what's stupid about that situation, Chad. To me, that one's different because Macklemore was always that person. He was always that person who sang about those things or who's had that political outlook and was very vocal about it, just like Rage the Machine is, right? Rage Against the Machine. very political so so how are you going to act like there's an issue with macklemore when you know exactly what you're getting into he's been the same person the whole time but now there's a problem and then now this whole mess happened and then you all walk it back and now you're giving speeches about how palestine's oppressive like ed what are you doing dude you write songs for fucking kids bro you're fucking singing little like music lovey-dovey like shut the fuck up That's right.

1:02:31 Stay in your lane. You made the noise. Now go do your tour and shut up. That's it. Who are you appeasing to? Who are you appealing to? That's why it's hilarious to me. I can't help it. It's just funny. Because when I see the stupidity in all of its glory out there, especially when somebody has to go on their apology tour, that's fun. I love that shit. That's great. There's nothing better than a good apology tour, especially when they don't know what they're apologizing for, first of all. So they're out here giving these prepared speeches that they didn't write one word of. Oh, hell no. And it's so funny. Because I'm like, this dude don't even know what he's saying. He's just out here saying words.

1:03:13 Seriously. But that also raises another question. Like, as a man, for example, and what is a man these days, right? I mean, we have too many people that use Andrew Tate as the example. We can get into that, I guess. Yeah. Just saying that, can you apologize? Is it okay to apologize? Because I got to be honest. I don't want to dismiss the fact that you should apologize for being wrong. But if you're apologizing just to appease people for the sake of being accepted by going back to the group, then you got an issue, dude. You're not a man. I'm sorry. You got no spine. Correct. You just don't. Yeah. Because if I'm wrong about something, I'm going to tell you I'm wrong.

1:03:53 Right. And I have zero issues with that. but if I'm right and I 100% believe I'm right, you're not going to make me come off of that. Absolutely. I'm just not going to do it. Well, that's, that's, that's both, that's both being mature and also growing. Right. Yes. And look, I'm stubborn. You know, if my wife was on here right now, she would tell you for a second, like, Oh, you're an arrogant, whatever. I'm not. No. Okay. Whatever. It's just, it's just like you said, it's, it's like when you know, you know. Okay. And, and just because let's say, um, you have an opposing argument that might frame something to where it looks like what I said might not be exactly on the mark. Fair enough. I'll take that.

1:04:34 I'll think about it. But it's not going to change my overall position of where I come from because my position is based on my morals, how it was brought up, my environment, what I went through as a person. You can't just change that. I'm not just going to change who I am, but I am willing to hear out other ideas. Maybe new evidence, for example, because I say a lot, Chad, on the show, So a lot of what I say when we talking about politics and geopolitics it based on the information at the time of the recording because these things develop and we talking about like let say a murder case for example new evidence comes to light etc so i can ever say that this is the definitive answer in a world that always evolves and things develop and become new things and etc unless they're hard facts and truths that have been proven time and time and time and time again by every society throughout time so that's different. There's scientific facts, unless we're talking about the COVID vaccine, but there's scientific facts.

1:05:32 There's scientific facts that gravity is what it is. We already know. There's certain things like mathematics. There's certain things that have been proven, but there are other things that are very abstract and or develop in real time as it goes on. And you've got to be able to understand that you're not going to be right on everything, but admit that when you find new evidence for example, to present that you're doing it in an honest way. It's like, hey, I know I said this. This is what happened. Here's some new evidence or something new that came out that I had to reconsider. And so this is where we're at now. And this is why my position has changed or whatever.

1:06:13 Unlike Candace Owens, who just never brings any receipts. She just throws shit at the wall to see it with sticks. Kind of like Alex Jones. I don't know if you're an Alex Jones fan. Oh, we can talk about some of that stuff, boy. Is that? No. here's the thing Alex Jones used to entertain the shit out of me I'm not gonna lie I always loved his presence just talking whatever crazy shit comes out I'm like well that's actually kind of entertaining I'm like okay but I also took it with a grain of salt because I'm like first of all I really do need to see where this factual information is that you're talking about so show me that first and then maybe I can get into what you're saying but yeah I'm kind of there with that It's always a secret source that you can't disclose because they're a secret source.

1:06:55 You can't reveal who they are because there's a danger in revealing who they are because they might cause harm to themselves or families. It's like, seriously, bro, every source you have is a secret source that nobody else knows about. And this kind of goes to when you were talking about, when you were introducing me in the show, we're talking about OSINT, right? O-S-I-N-T, OSINT. Okay, so I want to tell everybody right now because a lot of people think OSINT. They think, oh, military intelligence guy. No, I'm not. I'm not an intel guy. I'd be up front with you. I know some intel people. but that doesn't make me an Intel guy. OSINT is just open source intelligence, meaning there's information out there. There's tools you can use to gather information that all of us have access to. Some you got to pay for. There's a paywall for some of it.

1:07:36 Some of it is very freaking expensive, but we're at a point right now with the development of AI, LLM models, such as Gemini Notebook, et cetera. You got cloud. You got all these things at your fingertips, even Grok, that can gather. And I mean, they just go out into the universe and gather all the information and they bring it to you. Now, this is where the onus is on you to vet those sources. And I think all too often right now in the age of AI and LLMs and etc. And those who use OSINT tools, they believe that whatever information they get brought back to them based on their queries is definitive. It's like, this is it. But no, there are some studies in there that you got to look at and go, well, what was the sample size of this study?

1:08:19 Oh, 10 people. And that's supposed to represent 350 million people in the United States. I don't think that's a good study. You have to go in to your sources and vet them. And you also got to look at the consistency of the stories themselves and the studies. How many people are reporting this? Are they credible? As I said earlier in the show, where's the funding coming from? Who owns the organization? These are things that you got to do. And so when I talk about using OSINT tools or open source intelligence, it's like it's something that you can do. It's something that anybody listening can do. It basically comes down to how diligent you are in going through all the information based on your query and really vetting those sources.

1:09:04 Because now you got to go down the rabbit hole and take each one of those and go, great, let me test this. Let me take the story and test against my theory or test against what's being reported. And that's the danger we're in right now is that I think it's so easy for people to give you an assessment based on their AI tool. And if you break it down, you're like, well, that's a dangerous assessment you just gave, right? You just said we're going to go into World War III tomorrow morning because, you know, you did a search on Gemini or cloud. But did you vet those sources? Do you know where that information is actually coming from? And that's the problem that we have right now when we're talking about podcasters, right? You know, I'm one. It's ironic I'd say that, but...

1:09:45 But it's true. It is. It's true. It's true. You know, remember, Chad, when X was getting hot when Elon bought it? We are the media now. Are you? Are you really? But exactly. It's like, no, nothing's changed really. No. Other than the fact you let some people back on, nothing has really changed. Yeah. You can still say whatever lie you want to on there, spread whatever information you want, and you don't have to have any facts to back any of it up. No, you're right. And look, let's be honest. You also got to determine what is factual though, right? Yeah. It's easy to get it. Like, for example, a lot of people will use facts. An example of a fact, I mean, would be like a news source.

1:10:28 Great. But the news source you just used is Russian state propaganda or Chinese state propaganda. It's literally owned and ran by that damn government. Okay. And so being able to discern and decipher the value and the credibility of the information, I think is where the talent comes in. It's where, and maybe not just the talent, but the willingness to keep looking beyond and pushing and pushing until you've gone so far, you determine, great, well, that sucks. 80% of all the information I've got is not valid. And it took you hours, maybe weeks, but at least now you can give an assessment that you yourself can trust and that other people can take you serious for because they're going to hear what you have to say and they go, damn, that's relevant.

1:11:13 That makes a lot of sense. because there's going to be people that hear you and go, doing what I said, really? This motherfucker said this? Okay, let me go ahead and look. And they're going to do that. They're going to do that to you. So you got to be very careful. I did that. Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. No, no, no, go ahead. I was just going to say, I did that with the Lindsay Clancy case, going back to that craziness. But because I was trying to approach it, I'm like, okay, everybody's saying, well, Patrick Clancy did it. Well, have fun with your lawsuit. But especially if you have absolutely zero facts to back it up, I'm like, well, if I'm going to do an episode strictly based on what happened, then I have to go through these stupid court transcripts. I can't rely on any media narrative to do this.

1:11:54 I have to look at strictly what was entered into the record, what both sides agreed happened and didn't happen. And only then can we draw any real conclusions because you can't do it based on anything the media says or any influencer or any other supposed source. If it was in the trial, that's how I had to approach it. Yeah. Because that's the only way I figured that if somebody comes at me, I'm like, well, the trial says this. If you're telling me Patrick Clancy did it, well, even his wife, his ex-wife, and the defense says he did not do it. Leave the man alone. So where are you getting that coming? Because you had a feeling? Yeah.

1:12:34 It's a vibe, bro. It's a vibe. Come on. You're right. Those are the new facts these days anyway. What was I thinking? Well, so, all right, we'll keep talking about it. So, Lindsay Clancy, and you, I guarantee you know more than I do because it was just one of those things where, for me, I just saw how society reacted. Yeah. And I just couldn't believe the reaction on how they could support this person. And I get the postpartum depression already. I get it. But I also understand that usually, look, she had a child that was five, a three-year-old, and an eight-month-old. Okay. How long does that postpartum keep going? It's either you have a real mental illness or you don't. You can't claim to have one, but then have the cognitive wherewithal to be able to send your husband out to go get something, knowing that he wouldn't be able to intercede.

1:13:22 It sounds pretty planned. I'm sorry. And if it was something where you had a mental break and it was reactionary, then why would you plan it to where the only person in the house that could intercede was away so that you could then take your children to the garage to then strangle them, which is an up close and personal type of thing you got to do. It's not like she shot him in the head or pushed him off a cliff or anything. So this was planned regardless. And so that's probably like my biggest sticking point is, is that, but this, this, this happened in, uh, I think I'm wrong. Was it 23, 2020? Yes. It was that. Was that correct? January, 2024.

1:14:03 Oh, I'm sorry. 24. Yeah. So 2024 preliminary hearing her lawyers, already told everybody. And they admitted that she killed her children. So what are they going to court for? So she doesn't face the death penalty? Yeah, pretty much. And that's really the hell thing. Well, she needs to be found innocent by way of insanity, not guilty by way of insanity. I'm like, everybody who commits murder in such heinous ways are slightly crazy in some kind of way. I'm sorry, normal people don't do that. Or there would generally be thousands upon thousands of murders every day in your very own town. Right. Because everybody loses their shit.

1:14:43 I think I get some of the argument they were making though, like some of the defense where she was on a plethora of drugs. 13. Yeah, and I did this on my show because she was on a six-month schedule of multiple drugs that seemed to be changing that most of them don't even interact with each other properly. So there is that. I can't take that away because I've seen how people are on medication. If they take too much, too little, or if a doctor keeps changing, let's try this, try that. especially a woman whose hormones are just all over the place, you know, and I get that. Like that's something that is real, but how much of that really led to her planning this whole murder out? Yeah. Okay.

1:15:24 It's I'll tell you this, this, that case right there, I have never taken such a different path to where I finally got to with this case. Because especially because having kids, you know, and if you're a dad, you are going to feel a certain kind of way if you're a parent at all, at least I thought. But like with her, I truly believe the medical field failed this lady because none of them. She went through so many that nobody helped this woman. She did try to get help. It's all there, but they all just failed. Suicide hotline twice. You didn't plan your suicide, so we can't help you. What the fuck is that? I'm calling you because I have suicidal tendencies.

1:16:04 So there was a lot of stuff. And I get to the point where you're getting to or where you're at. It's like she still planned it. So there's still some, even with her postpartum psychosis, which is super rare, she still had that awareness to plan it. Now they will argue that's part of the psychosis and that's fine if that's truly the case. But she ain't the first. I would argue that any woman who's killed her kids has probably had some sort of postpartum psychosis. why does this case hit so close to home for women now when the others never did? Because before, and you flip it, you put a man there, and you've heard this argument, I'm sure. Nobody is trying to get this man off.

1:16:47 Nobody. No. Nobody's trying to say guilty, innocent by reason of insanity. So here's the thing I got on that. I get that she needed help. I do. And I do think her doctors failed her because we have a very broken medical system in general. Oh my God, yeah. And I'm not going to say that that wasn't the case for her. But I'm also going to say this. If we can make the argument that her psychosis led to her planning this out, then why did we not excuse Ed Gein or the son of Sam, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy?

1:17:28 I'm sorry, but these were all people that were crazy, that society failed. Some of these people had actually seen psychologists over their lives. Why are they not excused for murdering people that they couldn't control their feelings about because they had a certain psychosis that led them to do so? Why are they not excused? That's my point. And everybody's saying, oh, stop making the argument about Chris Benoit, the wrestler, right? And I know that you're into wrestling. And it like why did we not excuse him for when he killed his kids He was crying for help too for many years and they ignored him Yeah I mean look at the brain scan they did on that dude It horrendous From all the CTE and everything else he went through It was crazy It is.

1:18:10 And yet, for some reason, Lindsey Clancy has become the exception to all of that. Nuts, man. You know what it is? Do you know who James Williams is? I don't know if I don't think I do. He's the host of a show called Dark Water. He's a Christian. Oh my God, I haven't seen that in a hot minute. Yeah, he's a Christian news commentator, political commentator, etc. And he was just on my show the other day. And we had kind of this discussion. And not to get too religious, but I also got to say this. Yes, I've read the Bible many times. Okay, I've been in and out of church. I've seen all sides of it. And it almost feels to me like we're seeing a ramping up of evil being released onto society right now.

1:18:59 And I don't know if it's specifically the US, but it just feels like there are some nefarious things at play here because I can't understand what else would motivate any person with any moral fiber, anything in their being to be able to go ahead and justify the murder of children. I just don't understand it. I also don't see the same reason to support child trafficking, pedophilia, the acceptance of pedophilia and going ahead and making laws that make it more acceptable to say that you're a minor attracted, I guess. Where is this coming from? It doesn't feel like it's coming from a sensible, logical human being whatsoever. And I'm not trying to say that we're in a spiritual warfare thing, if you're into that. But I'm just saying that I'm starting to accept more and more that there might be things outside of our control.

1:19:43 They're kind of pushing people along. And I'm not sure what that is. I'm just throwing it out there. I know it's a little esoteric. No, but it's very true because as a fully functioning human being, and not only that, but you're very aware of your own cognizance, right? You're very aware of how you feel and think and how you experience the world. And this is why I do. This is why I keep little baby Jesus just around on my computer to remind me every now and then, pull me back under control. But it is one of those things where I do think that's a thing. It's just because you see certain things, you're like, what is, I just, this makes no rational sense. It shouldn't do any rational human being. It doesn't.

1:20:23 It really doesn't. And I don't get it. I just, and I like to consider myself halfway intelligent. I mean, I get I look like a caveman, but still. I mean, there's got to be, I just don't get it. I don't. Well, you don't judge books by their covers, they say, right? Yeah, it's a terrible cover. Redo this book cover, baby. Give yourself more credit check. Come on. Hey, look, we also see where you're hearing more reports of people accepting being attacked by demons. We're talking about Tucker Carlson, scratched by demons, right? Yeah. I'm not trying to make this too much of a spiritual argument. No, I get you. It just feels like society has been lost. You also see the uptick in people trying to search for religion, spirituality.

1:21:07 There's been a renewed interest in Christianity. and maybe people themselves are looking at it, people who are never religious going, there's something happening here. There's something that does not add up. We've got Kooky Candace who says that we are legion. Oh my, where does that come from? Do you understand what legion is? That directly references a demon. Exactly. I'm like, what are we talking about? And so, I'm sorry to hijack the show in this direction, but the reason I do is because I don't know how we can explain the acceptance of the certain behaviors, acceptance of heinous acts that were never acceptable before ever in history. Well, I can't say ever. I mean, I'm sure caveman did some bad things.

1:21:47 But I'm just saying any civilized society that can function, that has evolved, these are things that are not acceptable. These are things that are not okay to have sex with little kids, to kill your children just because you feel a certain way. Because you can't make sense of your life. It's so horrible. I'm sorry. I know I'm being an ass, but still. No. Oh, be an ass, buddy. It's like, that's where we're at. That's where we're at, right? It absolutely is. It's unexplainable. And I don't know any other way to kind of come up with an excuse for the actions and the behavior other than it's not human behavior. There's got to be something else behind it. It doesn't. And I know it's so easy to point out, but like with social media, right?

1:22:31 and the influence of social media, and being able to say whatever it is you want to, especially if you're on a certain side of a political lane. Like if you're on the left, it is far easier to get away with anything you want to say than it is if you're on the right. It's been that way for a long time now. And when you've got people who are so mentally easily malleable that they will buy into anything, and they just live for whatever TikTok tells me to do or Facebook tells me to do, then that, again, goes back to what we talked to. earlier, that's where I get my information. And there's an old saying, I'm the sum total of the five people I hang around the most. Well, when that's the type of people you hang around, that's right here in your ear and you don't even have to see them physically, this warps your reality and what that is.

1:23:17 And it's just going to get worse. It's like you're going to be a product of whatever you give your attention to. Whatever you surround yourself with is what you're going to become. That's right. It really is. and it's look, alright, let's just get off the religion stuff so what about Trump? Let's talk about Trump because I gotta tell you, I love the guy I'll tell you why I love Trump and I'll let you get into it I love Trump because you don't have to wonder what the man's thinking like he's the one person I can go yep, he said what he meant what's the undertone or what's he trying to say What's he really trying to sell me on?

1:24:00 Like, no. That is 100% what this guy needs. And I love that. I would rather you just tell me to my face that, look, I'm not letting them have a nuke. They got some oil over there that I want. We're about to go stop it all and get ours. Oh, okay. I always said if Bill Clinton would have just admitted to sleeping with that girl back in the 90s with Monica Lewinsky, he never would have caught any flack. All he ever had to do was say, yeah, but did he? Yep, I did it. I don't know. I think all the guys were behind him, right? At that time. But that's what I'm saying, though. But they went and impeached him or tried to impeach him all because he lied about it. If he had just said, yeah, I've done it. Look at my wife.

1:24:40 She's like, hey, of course I did it. Are you kidding? You spent five minutes around Hillary. You know how she is? Of course I did. I got news. She ain't the only one. So, I mean, they couldn't have touched him. Yes. The fact he lied about it is what got him. True. So, I love Trump because you're like, no. Yeah, we're going to do it. And I love that. Like I said, my thing with Trump is he's just a hammer. He is bombastic. But if we're talking about 2.0, I've said this. Look, he doesn't have another term. He knows it. He's trying to get done what he can, and he can't care less about the fallout. He does not care. And that goes for people who did support him. He literally doesn't care. Let's just be honest.

1:25:21 Yeah, that's true. He has a plan. He wants to get it done. Now, people say he's crazy. but if you read into what he's doing, like, okay, let's talk about Greenland. They're like, wait a minute. You can't just take Greenland and invade it. You're talking all this crazy talk. Like, oh, the Danes, what are you going to do? Well, look, why was Greenland important? It wasn't just because of minerals and resources. It was a strategic position to the Atlantic. And if we're talking about how many times, how many times will China and Russia have surveyed that area, have tested the waters with their ships, with everything that you can think of, because they know that is the only place right there, one of the only places where we're actually vulnerable, that we don't actually control.

1:26:02 And we obviously can't trust Canada as much as we should. Now, is some of that Trump's fault? Yeah. Sure. He ran his mouth. Let's just admit it. He's pushing buttons. But I think in the end, I mean, we're going to have Canada's back if it came down to it. Oh, yeah. No doubt about it. It's just what it is. I mean, we're too... We're not exactly the same, but we're too close to each other to have that type of strife and conflict. And so Greenland was a very strategic position to take on Greenland. And he wasn't the first person. I mean, in history, the US, we tried to buy it before. We've made an offer. And so Greenland was always on the table as an interest. Now, I didn't dive into the current agreement.

1:26:43 Some people said, well, it's just the same thing that we always had in place. I don't know. I'll be honest. I don't know. I didn't have time to look into it. but the fact that the world has kind of caved and said, fine, we'll appease you and this is what we're going to do. Maybe Trump isn't so crazy. The only thing I have a problem with how he's handling things at this moment is what he's doing in Iran. And let me preface this by saying that I think the Islamic regime shouldn't exist. I don't think they have not been a benefit to the Middle East since 1979. They do not benefit anybody. Anybody. They haven't offered anything that has been benefit to that region whatsoever. So I probably don't think they should exist. I think they're evil as hell.

1:27:24 And I think Trump is the one who said, you know, and this isn't new. Like he's since the 80s, before he was ever president, since 80s, 83, whatever he was saying, how much he wanted to handle Iran. It's like, how do you not know you don't know what you're getting out of Trump? He's made it very clear his position on Iran. The problem we have is we had 50 years of presidents kicking the can down the road and not wanting to deal with it, appeasing them. We have Obama releasing and giving them money. We have Biden giving them money again and releasing funds and unfreezing funds. It's like, to what end and why? Why are we appeasing a regime who is hell-bent on destroying the United States of America, who is the largest funder of terrorism in the world, whose biggest proxy, the Houthis, are out there right now trying to secure another coast so that Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states can't ship their oil off the Red Sea.

1:28:15 I'm sorry. What is the benefit of Iran to the entire world? And so Trump said, I'm going to handle it. But the problem I have with Trump is he's not all in. I understand why he's not all in. He's made it very clear. He's the commander in chief. He's also said he doesn't want to see US soldiers die. They do die. We've had people that have died in this conflict already. But he knows that if he goes all in, the casualties will be probably catastrophic. It'll be a very bloody, bad conflict or war. And so he's very hesitant. He is very hesitant to go all in. He wants to, he wants to rule from afar, hopefully using munitions, his intelligence networks, et cetera.

1:28:58 But we don't really have any proxies out there. The only people attacking are the U S in Israel. Who else? We have the Gulf nations who signed an agreement or coalition as similar to NATO, their version of that. And yet, the Houthis are attacking Saudi Arabia, and where are the Gulf states? Is anyone stepping up? No. The first person Saudi Arabia called was the US to give air support. Now, I think Trump made a mistake by not supporting them. But maybe he made the good decision because people are trying to report that our munitions are getting low. But I also question that, Chad. Like, where's that information coming from? Who's reporting that? Like, seriously. Yeah. And so the whole situation is a mess because Trump has either got to go all in and end this, or he's got to realize that this isn't working, this approach anyway.

1:29:46 Come up with new policy sanctions, et cetera, and actually enforce them, unlike Obama and Biden did. We have to actually enforce them, and we have to work with our allies to come up with policies that they will back. And so when we're talking about those allies, UK and France, for example, the two most vocal, because they can't get their oil and their fertilizer or whatever. because they rely on that region to get it. It's close right there. Great. But the UK is literally the oldest European ally of Oman. Hmm. That's interesting. What has the UK done to help Oman secure their territorial waters and straits? Have they done a damn thing after all these years? What's funny is there was talks about another route being built by some of the Gulf states to bypass straitohormones like years ago.

1:30:30 And everybody dismissed it because they said, well, it might cost too much money. You know what? We're going to tolerate this evil that we call the Islamic Republic of Iran because, yeah, it's cheap, oil, whatever. That's what happened. Why didn't the UK ever step up to back Oman? When this conflict broke up, and listen, since they took over in 79, they have been terrorizing that region as far as the straight goes. They've been attacking boats. They've been harassing boats. Those that even go into Oman territorial waters Oman wants to remain more or less neutral They don really have a military There Saudi Arabia they have some but not enough to really do anything So the UK has done nothing Europe has failed in backing their own allies for the resources that they need out of the Strait of Hormuz.

1:31:15 They're the ones that should have taken care of this years ago. And since they never did and kicked the can down because it was too fucking expensive, now Trump stepped in and people hate Trump for it. Well, you wouldn't have been the situation if you would have made concessions and deals and done other things and look for other routes and means to get what you needed that didn't involve Iran controlling the only major passageway to get said resources and supplies. You could have worked with all these Gulf states years ago to find other trade routes and ways to get stuff out, but they didn't because it was too expensive. So is Trump really to blame? Yeah, sure, he is. He kicked hornet's nest and the world is kind of paying for it.

1:31:55 But we also can't be bullied by one country in the region that is trying to take control of resources and oil and also shooting rockets off into the Gulf states and harassing them. And the argument can be said, Chad, or made that they're only doing so because they're allies with the US. Maybe. Maybe that is true. Maybe it isn't. But the Gulf states themselves also have to step up and stand up to Iran. And thus far, they haven't. So they're all afraid of Iran still. They're afraid of the IRGC. and the Houthis are properly funded and backed and have military support from Iran in ways of obviously money, weapons, etc. And yet, the US is the ire of the world when everyone's been tolerating the actions of Iran since 79 and only because their gas was cheap.

1:32:45 And now that it's not, it's fuck the US. And so we're talking about France. I kind of brought them up. Macron. Look, this country... not taking anything away from them as an ally. And I know they've done stuff. People have died for their country and France. I get it. I get it. But to come in and say, we're happy to police the strait and help you maintain it after the conflict. After you've done all the heavy lifting and do everything, we'll help you police the area. Yeah. Oh, really? So after the dust has settled, you guys won't step in. When the strait of horror movies benefits you more than it benefits us. Anyway, right? Interesting. So I just find this whole situation to be a mess because either Trump's got to go all in and end this, or realize you're going to have to work with your allies, re-approach this thing in a different way, and make other people accountable and really enforce policy and sanctions.

1:33:36 And that's the only way I can see this working out. Either that or we're just going to be in a war of attrition. I agree. They're going to have to do something. It is crazy to me that this one country do everything and get away with what they do. And it's funny because a lot of people don't remember that Iran was very Western-leaning before. all of that happened. Yes, they were. I mean, they were very westernized. And it's amazing. And most people, they do not know their history about that. No, they don't. And it is fascinating. And we've just let that sit and happen now. And we continue. But it's like everything else. Like every president in the last 50 years has talked about our border security.

1:34:18 Everyone on all sides talk about it. Trump's the only one who did it. Because everybody else was just talk. and then when they don't get elected, they condemn. And when they're elected, they don't do anything. And it really is, and it's so bombastic because that's how the political system functions these days. Do you recall, or do you know the numbers? I haven't looked up recently. How many people Trump has actually deported? I have no idea what that number is right now. I used to keep track of it, but I haven't looked at it in forever. I'm going to try to look it up right now because I actually don't remember. I don't know where it's at right now. Yeah. So let's look this up. how many people has Trump deported? And I'm bringing this up for a very important reason, even though people don't ever want to hear it.

1:35:03 No. Okay. No, they don't. So let's see. It looks like... Okay, so Trump administration has deported more than 605,000 people since taking office in January 2025, while independent estimates from third-party organizations range around 590,000 to nearly 985,000, depending on the specific agency, data, and metrics track. So less than a million? Is that correct? Sounds like less than a million. Okay, fine. So when we're talking about border security, you made a good point. Like 50 years of presidency, this has been an issue. Now, well, let's go back to the Democrats during the Clinton era. They were very vocal, very vocal.

1:35:43 Hillary herself, many of the leaders of the Democrat Party from then, about illegal immigrants and how they were going to take our jobs. They sounded like hardcore, far-right MAGA people. That's right. And I have videos. I can't play them here, but I have videos. I saved them. And I'm like, how did their position change suddenly? And how do we ignore the Bill Clinton? Everyone says that Obama was deported in chief. No, he wasn't. Bill Clinton deported 12 million people. Exactly. Over 12 million people, but it was okay because he played the fucking saxophone and got blown under the table by fucking, you know. And so it was all right. Yeah, whatever. It's okay. We like Bill. But 12 million people. Obama, I forgot what the number was.

1:36:25 I think it was 5 million. He had a lot. It was, but it wasn't 12 million. No, it wasn't 12. And so I think they called Obama the deporter in chief when I was looking into this because of how quickly he did it. Like within the timeframe. It was just like a huge push. He gave Tom Holman a medal for this. He loved him. That's exactly it, dude. Everyone loved Tom Homan then. The dude literally got a medal. Tom Homan was awarded. Obama put the damn medal on him. Yep. This happened. And so is there any real reason for people opposing Trump's border policy other than they just hate him?

1:37:06 No. That's the reason. It's the reason for everything. And it really is that which is still funny because they all loved him until he ran and switched to Republican to run against the Democrats. Yeah. All those people loved Trump. And there's no getting around it. There's no way they can say, well, I didn't really. Yep, yes, you did. You went to all the parties, all the galas. You were there. The Clintons, especially because they were getting money from Trump. Right. So this garbage thing where I never really liked him. Yeah, you loved his money. Absolutely. And you loved hanging around in his hotels and golfing. I loved his connections, his presence, everything about him. Now, look, there's going to be those critics.

1:37:47 You're going to hear this like, oh, you guys are just sheeple. You follow Trump. Trump's your daddy. No, not at all, man. Not really. I can criticize him too. I have no problem doing so. But let's not take away what he did do good. I get it. He's uncouth. He's not presidential. I understand. The way he talks, sometimes I'm like, God. That's the way, right? That's like, please. Stop really being a representative, but I'm going to go with it because that's where we're at right now. Yeah. And his approach is to some things. Again, I don't like how we approach some things. I think he'd be a little more diplomatic. He could be a little bit easier in terms of working with people. But I can't say he's not getting shit done. We may not like how he's getting it done, but he's getting it done. He does get it done.

1:38:28 And I think people's problem with what he's doing is they're short-sighted. They're looking at now. They're not looking about down the road. And I think he's trying to take care of America for down the road. And that's what he's looking at. It's like, what will America become in 10, 15, or 20 years? I think he's trying to put things in place that protect that. but while he's doing so unfortunately some of us are suffering and I'm not making excuses for him so the truth is what you said they loved him until they didn't and they didn't like him because he started exposing things he started going against the grain against the system and all of a sudden we can't have that he's evil right yep and and so that that was the change but anyway um look they controlled he he took on the border. He took on Iran.

1:39:16 He tried to do many things that would benefit the US. He reestablished the partnership with Venezuela for the oil. A lot of people didn't realize that oil. We used to have, Chevron had a hundred years ago had contracts with Venezuela by the way to develop the oil because they didn't have the refineries to do so. The US has been involved in Venezuela for many years when it came to the oil relationship. Do we like how Trump did it? Well, many don't. I kind of do. I like having a gangsta president. I'm going to be honest. I loved it. I was like, this dude, I mean, but how badass are soldiers, boy? To do that mission they went on, holy God. You know what I liked about it, Chad? Is all the narratives and rhetoric going around saying the U.S. military is dead.

1:40:00 They're not proven. It's been so many years. Then all of a sudden, that happened. I was like, that is the baddest thing I've ever seen, maybe. That was so cool. Because you're surrounded by all this. Your enemy's gunfire, all this stuff. And you just walk on in there and take his ass. I mean, in this supposedly well-fortified place, like, nah, not really. Let's just go get him. I mean, I don't know if that wasn't making a statement. I don't know what is. I mean, I don't know if that wasn't making a statement. I don't know what is. I don't either. God dang, man. You know, so many things we could tackle, Chad. I swear. And we've been an hour and 40 minutes into this already. I know. I was looking at that.

1:40:41 I apologize for keeping you so long. Oh, I'm good. I just don't know how long you want to go. But I just realized it's like, I think you and I could talk a lot. It's just, there's just so much to tackle. There is. There really is. There's just so much to tackle. And everything is evolving. And it's like, I think I'm going to circle this back and try to tie a bow on it to where we're like, what's the solution? Like what you asked earlier, how do we change things? And I think I'm going to stick to what I said earlier. I think we got to get get ahead of education again and make sure like, I don't know if we can save what's happening now, but we can all obviously save the generation after. And we need to start with that right now.

1:41:23 And hopefully, hopefully, maybe Democrats pull their heads out of their ass in the midterms and they don't vote for DSA candidates just because they're on a Democrat ticket, damn it. I don't want to see 19 congressional candidates that are DSA members. I'm sorry. I do have a little hope though, because even though with Charlie gone, and not just TPUSA, but other things like that, right? Who are still out here talking to these younger generation of people and going, look, here's the truth about things. Just think for yourself. I'm not trying to tell you what to do. I'm just saying, think for yourself. Actually gain knowledge and see where that takes you because it's going to lead you down the right path every single time.

1:42:06 Yeah, I agree. As long as you're willing to do it. That's the key. So I do have a little hope. I do have a little hope. It's not all doom and gloom. And I have a bunch of left-leaning friends, and we talk about stuff like this. And they're like, dude, it's just... I said, you know why? I'm like, because you're not that... You're not what they're representing out there that's just in the media and in our ears all the time. You're just trying to get your way in the world, and you have some sympathy for people. Maybe not empathy, because those are two totally different things. And unless you've been down that road, you probably don't know what empathy is towards that person, right? So, but still, you can still sympathize and be kind and go, I do want to have this conversation.

1:42:47 I think there's ways we can help him get there. Well, there's to be a lot of people, at least in the rural areas where we live. We can give shit less. I think what we're starting to see is that splinter. We're starting to see the difference between old school Democrats who are actual Americans and love America. And maybe they see things differently than me or you or whoever. But in the end, they're fucking Americans and they understand. what this country is and what it really stands for. And then we're also seeing the people who infiltrated the Democrat party who are starting to be exposed now. Yeah. And, and, and so I think we're seeing the difference between Americans and whatever the fuck those other people are. And I think that's what we're, what we're talking about is, is taking control of the nation by realizing we've got to protect what this country stands for and its values.

1:43:34 And there's going to be people saying, well, what does it stand for? You have no, please, you know what it stands for. It stands for whatever it is that affords you the freedom for you to talk your bullshit. That's what it is. That's what it is. And it's like, I'm tired of hearing that half-assed rebuttal or argument. Because it's not really an argument. You don't have one. But I think I don't... Look, I don't hate Democrats. I know you don't. We just differ on some things. I understand that. But the DSA and those other people you see on TikTok, as you said, and X and I were just... into a microphone, just being divisive and trying to keep people separated. They're not Democrats. They're not. They're sensationalists. They're people who are part of the plan to take down the USA.

1:44:15 And it goes back to like influencers like Hassan Piker and people like him. Oh, God, yeah. I swear. It's just, that's what we're facing. And I think the Democrats know this. You got people like John Fetterman calling his own party. I go, hey, where are we at? Where's this train going, man? Yeah. We got to get a whole, this thing. And we're starting to see the infighting between the parties. I'm sorry, within the party, the Democratic Party. And so I think you're right. I think there's going to be people that are going to step up at the last minute, at the 11th hour, and they're going to be like, nah, we're not doing that. But it'll be interesting to see where the vote goes, right? Do they have another candidate they can support, or will it have to be the red candidate? Will it have to be the Republican candidate?

1:45:01 That's what's going to be interesting. It is, and this next election will be very interesting because I really love Marco Rubio. I just, he's a, he's a rock star to me. And I love JD too, but I really think Marco is so, just all across the board, that dude. Yeah. I really like listening to him talk because I just, to me, of all of them, he's at least a little more of the guy that I can see. He's a little Trump-like in certain ways, but he's also him and he understands the mission, I think. And that's what I like about him. I don't... Okay. Sorry, Republicans, but I'm going to be honest. I don't get J.D. Vance.

1:45:41 I don't get it. Where did... He was critical of Trump. He was very critical of many things. And he opposed many things that Republicans actually stood for. And all of a sudden, he flips a 180 and he's the golden child as a vice president. Like, I don't get it. I don't get it. Now, he's eloquent. He intelligent He knows how to speak I understand He very very well but he how to present himself well And when it comes down to it though I think I on your side when it comes to Rubio I think Rubio has this side to him that's definitely a no bullshit kind of guy. You can see it. You can see it in some of his responses where he gets irritated and just puts people in their place.

1:46:22 And look, this goes back to what we talked about kind of in the beginning where it's like, oh, you Republicans hate immigrants and white supremacy, whatever. I'm sorry, but I mean, fucking Rubio is a badass Cuban. He is what he is. For real. He represents America. That's what I care about. I don't care what your skin color is. Are you an American? Exactly. Are you worthy of my vote? Will you represent this country and will you protect it? And will you try to help and enforce policies that make sense for this country? Cool. Then you're the guy. I don't care. Exactly. That's what matters when we're talking about America. It really does.

1:47:02 Dude, World Ablaze. World Ablaze. How can people follow you? Because we haven't really mentioned it, except for the very beginning of the show. Oh, it's all right. So let's talk about it real quick, and let's get people going to your show. Yeah. So, okay, the easiest way to find anything, just go to worldablazepodcast.com. That's where you're going to find all the links to the podcast players or apps, social media links, everything is right there. The easiest way for me to go about it is just go to worldofblazepodcast.com. Everything should be right there. Episodes are twice a week right now. So I do something a little different because I realize there's different types of audiences depending on how you consume content.

1:47:44 So I'll put the podcast, the RSS feed. So basically whatever's on Apple, Spotify, Overcast, that stuff, those episodes are released on Tuesdays and Thursdays But I stream the episodes on Wednesdays and Fridays And the reason I do that is because I know that the streaming audience is different A lot of people who like the streams like the video, they like to be part of the chat, all that. And so different audience than what's necessarily, let's say a podcast listener, right? Yeah. Oh yeah. And so that's why I do that. So if you prefer the video or the stream Wednesdays and Fridays, if you like listening to podcasts, and you don't always have the time to watch a video, then go ahead and check for the episodes on Tuesdays, Thursdays.

1:48:30 And they're everywhere. And they're everywhere. But yeah, go to worldzopblazepodcast.com and you'll get the info you need right there. Good deal. So you talked to Mac. Yeah. Yeah. He's interesting to talk to you. Yeah. I've been fortunate to have some very good guests. I've had Dan Bermowie. I don't know if you know who he is. He's an author. I've talked to Carlos Frye, who's an award-winning journalist, Emmy award-winning journalist, actually. Matab Farid, who is another Emmy award-winning journalist. Her whole family was from Iran. So we talked about everything that happened as far as Iran was and when it was Persia all the way up to today.

1:49:11 I've been fortunate to have some very good guests. I'll be honest, all my guests are pretty good. There's only one, I'll admit, that I wasn't really. It was my shortest episode. My brother even did me crap. That was a pretty short episode. I'm like, yeah, he was... That's great. I'll just say this. I'm not going to say who he is. You guys will get this if you ever listen. But he was presenting a solution to politics. And then when I pressed him on his politics, he suddenly didn't have an opinion on politics. I'm like, well, what the fuck are you doing here then? I don't get it. Are you just trying to make money on an app? What is this? After that, I kind of just like... I started shutting it down.

1:49:52 I don't blame you. George man you been fun to talk to brother Thank you so much I love the insight I love being able to have this conversation And thanks for just being honest and open and transparent and just offering all of those insights I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah. And look, man, it's not lost on me that I said a lot of stuff without proving it. But look, if you go listen to my episodes and you watch the videos, I give some very, when it comes to geopolitical episodes, I give actual presentations and breakdowns. And it's very easy to see where I'm getting the information. So take a lot of what I said today with a grain of salt. But if you really want to get the deep dives, those episodes are out there. And I do present those. Perfect. Dude, thank you so much for being here. It was amazing. I really loved it.

1:50:32 And hopefully I'll see you down the road. Oh, you will. You're going to be on my show later. We're going to make that happen. Let's go. Let's go. Because this was a blast. You take care of yourself, man. Thank you, Chad. Thanks, buddy. Have a good one. Oh, my God. Guys, I told you. I told you. And I say that all the time because these guests right here, especially guests like George, where I can really just have that open dialogue I've really been wanting to have on certain topics. And this is one of those. And I really love that. I do love George's insight here. Go check out the World of Blaze podcast because I'm going to, I've listened to a couple episodes because I wanted to know about George a little bit. But my God, was that not insightful?

1:51:15 And not only that, it comes from a place of truth. I say, oh my God, that sounded horrible. I don't even know if I even like saying that because that is so beat to death, right? Truth and my truth. But when you're talking about facts and when you're talking about truth and no BS, I think George is the epitome of that. Facts, truth, no BS. It was a great show. Thank you guys very much. You are listening to the FFO podcast. I just told you what it's all about. Go check out World of Blaze. I'll see you guys next time. Four on the floor, have a tank of gas