How Small-L Libertarianism and Constitutional Reform Can Fix America (Havok - Space Tomatoes)

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welcome back world of blazers today i have special guest havoc havoc is the host of space tomatoes

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where he and his co-host Alex go beyond the narratives

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and strive to have real unscripted conversations,

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which I can attest to because I was a guest on their show recently.

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And I will just say these guys are very cool

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and they are not afraid to dig into the weeds if they need to.

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Havoc has spent years digging into philosophy,

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personal sovereignty, and the gap between what people say,

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what they believe, and how they live.

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And then Havoc is also a self-professed small-el libertarian

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and a well-studied constitutionalist.

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And I will tell you that from my previous conversation,

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he's very well-read.

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And with that being said,

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I think you're going to enjoy this conversation

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that I have with Havoc.

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And welcome, Havoc.

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Yeah, thank you for having me on the show.

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I appreciate it.

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Thank you for having me on your show.

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It was a great time, man.

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We got into some really cool discussions

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about all sorts of things,

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and yeah, I loved it.

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so let's start with this uh just so everybody gets a little bit more um background to you

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just because i'm sure it goes well beyond what i just um told everybody and what i read uh tell

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everybody where you come from and how you came to be the host of space tomatoes try to make this as

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quick as possible uh so i i grew up in a conservative household my father was a captain

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in the Navy. So when it came to discipline and order, et cetera, there was a lot, right?

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And lived my life primarily like that. I watched the Carter years and Reagan years and everything

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since. And, you know, was living in California at the time. For most of my life, I lived in

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California. And, you know, at some point, and I don't recall exactly, I want to say it was

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the Bush era, it started to get this, you know, feeling in the back of my head, right? The second

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Bush. And it was just like, something's not adding up for me, right? I feel like there's something

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wrong, something missing, something I don't know about going on. And so I started to explore things

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and really kind of look at philosophy and different historical authors and liberty minds, etc.

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And I think it was right around the Obama time frame where I literally went,

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you know, this is broken.

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I mean, it's just broken.

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It's straight up broken.

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So I started looking for something that maybe spoke to me a little bit more.

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And then the Tea Party came along.

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and I thought, okay, this sounds better, right? Maybe. And started going into that. And again,

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something's not right here. When I studied the constitution, I studied the founding fathers,

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the federalists, the anti-federalist papers. And I was just looking at all this and the more I did,

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the more things didn't make sense. And then I found the constitutionalist movement and I went

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in there. And then it was like, yeah, okay, but you can't even agree on which constitution,

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right? Which version of it, where, where do we, do we put the cutoff and, you know,

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or is it pick apart? Right. And, and it didn't feel right. And then, you know, I finally just

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got fed up with it all. And, and I started looking at the Libertarian party for about,

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you know, a couple of days or something and went, no. And then I ended up where I am today,

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which is small L libertarian. I don't believe the system is necessary. I believe that people

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are naturally inclined to create order around them. And, you know, I live in a rural environment.

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The idea that we're being, you know, controlled by or watched over, we're not, right? People just

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do things. And, you know, we seem to get along and we work it out and we, you know, work through

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things. And so from there, I just kind of solidified in that and started digging deep into that

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while also maintaining a healthy eye on what's going on today and things of that nature.

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I want you, if you could, because when you were telling me you're a small L libertarian,

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first off, these days, libertarian is thrown around like willy-nilly, to be quite honest.

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Everybody's a libertarian now because they don't know what to define themselves as. They just know

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that they don't like the Democrat party and they don't quite align with the Republican

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party, but they don't want to call themselves an independent.

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And then they claim to be a libertarian.

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So why don't you, why don't you explain exactly what a libertarian is and how a small L libertarian

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is that much different?

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Like what, what, what separates a small libertarian from a libertarian?

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So I'll do my best to describe this.

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And one of the things I think, you know, for anyone that is aware of this terminology,

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uh libertarians big l the party libertarians i think are are very uh very close to aligned with

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what would be called minarchists which is they believe the state is necessary they believe that

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the state needs to provide certain functions but they should be extremely limited and and very few

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right uh you know they do believe in control of the borders they do believe in a military but for

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defensive purposes only, you know, they believe in that, right? So that's a big L libertarian.

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What a small L libertarian is, is kind of a Rothbardian, Hoppian, right? And if you're not

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familiar with these, these are authors, Rothbard and Hopp, H-O-P-P-E, more of those types of

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theories, right? Which is the state is unnecessary and it brings about violence and coercion. It

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needs those things to exist. Without them, there would be no use in it existing. And voluntary

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cooperation should be the way we interact with each other and operate with each other.

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The simple principle is don't harm other people. Don't, you know, destroy or take their stuff

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and live your life as you want and allow others the same.

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Pretty simple.

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So with all of that being said,

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how do you feel about, because you're not a big L libertarian,

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but how do you feel about the libertarian party right now?

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One of the bigger proponents of the libertarian party or claims to be,

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that is more well-known in social media would be like Dave Smith.

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because it seems like that party keeps flipping and flopping

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based on whoever makes them feel good.

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They were a staunch supporter of Trump to get him into office,

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but I'm sure a lot of that was based on Trump's promises

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that he may or may not have come through for them, Juan.

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But then I'm seeing posts and rhetoric and talk about

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aligning with the Democrat Party now,

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just so that we wouldn't have any Republican being voted into office at all.

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How do you feel about that situation right now?

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because I mean, and after that, we're going to definitely go to stay down this road and talk

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about what's coming up with midterms and whatnot. But how do you feel about that alignment of

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Libertarian Party? I mean, they don't really seem really aligned. They're just like whoever's going

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to, I don't know, it's like whoever makes them feel good or whoever's going to just

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kind of get them more noticed, I guess. How do you feel?

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So I think if you look back at this, one of the things that's interesting to note about why

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they threw support in this case, right? When they try and get up on the stage, right? The debates are

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where they can make a real impact. Otherwise, it's just kind of social media and everyone looks at

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you like you're a kook. What happens is every time they get to that point, the numbers change.

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So the big parties will say, yeah, if you want to debate us, you need to have 250,000 votes.

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They pull out 251,000 votes. They go, ah, we just changed the rules to 350,000.

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400,000, 500,000. So they kind of get excluded from those debates, right? And I don't necessarily,

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you know, in history, they don't necessarily throw their weight behind any party. But, you know,

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they kind of have been trying for so long and these rules keep bending. And along comes this,

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you know, candidate that's espousing libertarian ideals, right? You know, very, very heavily

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libertarian ideals, I might add. And so I think they offered him that space on the stage.

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But if you go back and look at that actual LNP, you'll find that a lot of it is people booing him

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until he starts talking about Ross Ulbricht, right?

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Right, right, right. Free Ross. I remember that.

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Yeah. So when you look at that, you start to think, okay, well, this is interesting,

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but they did throw their weight behind and they didn't have a candidate that was going to do

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anything. So I think really the party just came together in that instance to put their support

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behind him based on what he was saying, what he was running on. And I don't think that they're

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going to wholesale go towards the Democrats so much as they mainly will just withhold their vote

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from the Republicans. But I do think that that's going to have a massive impact and the libertarians

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coming out of the woodwork to vote for Trump is honestly the one thing I think that pushed him so

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heavily over the top on that contest. So it's something I think they're going to,

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they're definitely holding back from. And I don't think it's just the libertarians at this point.

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Yeah. And to your point about Trump saying libertarian things back then,

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I think he was going out of his way to pander to that party to get the support because he needed those numbers and he knew that.

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Now, I don't know if he, I don't think he came through in all of his promises for them.

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He did free Ross at least, which was really cool.

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But outside of that, I think they still feel a little sour by what happened.

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So let's talk about now.

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Let's talk about what the country is facing in the midterms.

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All right. And from your perspective, I mean, you're a very well-read, well-studied constitutionalist and small libertarian.

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So from your perspective, how do you feel the country's headed into the midterms and does it look good for America right now?

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Well, that's kind of a tough and a little bit of a trick question.

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So I'm going to start with the second part of that.

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And does it look good for America right now?

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No, no, it doesn't.

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It didn't four years ago.

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And if you applied any real logic or honesty, you could probably say it hasn't for quite some time.

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Going into this, I don't see the Republicans maintaining their presence in all three branches at this point.

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I think you've got a very riled up Democrat base, which that party has spent an inordinate amount of time making sure that it's known that you're suffering because we want you to suffer and you will continue to suffer.

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So you've got a very riled up base there and you've got a lot of independent people as well that are looking at this and going, this isn't what we wanted.

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This isn't the America first, no new wars, better economy.

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And sure, you can make the case the stock markets are up and things of that nature are going great.

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But it's kind of like if you're not in the club of having a big stock portfolio, you're suffering.

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I don't care where you live or how you live, you're suffering.

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And so, yeah, there is a good deal of that.

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Right.

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Now, the thing with the midterms coming up too, though, I also believe that I don't know

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if the Democrats have full control of their own party anymore, though.

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They seem to be There seems to be a fracture or a splinter from what I can see And they got to deal with this democratic socialist issue where they latched onto the party and use them as a literal platform to gain support

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And they're using the Democrat party to drive the message.

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And now you're seeing AOC claiming she's a democratic socialist.

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For example, we have Al-Sayed who's running, who is gaining steam, but then he does a dumb

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thing and latched onto Hassan Piker, an influencer who says that we deserve 9-11 and really wants

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to bring down capitalism and wears a Mao Zedong uniform.

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I don't know where he sees any greatness in communist China whatsoever.

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I mean, Mao Zedong was responsible for the largest amount of people

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who died from famine and from forced labor.

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I mean, in history, in history.

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So we have that going on.

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And then he had Fetterman speaking out against his own party.

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Now, that guy always plays kind of the middle.

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He will vote Democrats because that's his party.

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like he's just gonna well when it comes down to it he'll go that way but he's also seems to be the

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voice of reason at times believe it or not at least it seems that way without question yeah

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which is like no so do you think and this is where i'm going with this habit do you think that those

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old school democrats are going to step up and get control of their party so that we don't have to

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face 19 congressional dsa candidates being elected into congress so i think you you've got

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Yes, I do.

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To an extent, right?

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They will allow some things to happen because they do align with their own platform.

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But I don't think...

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So I think it's not going to be what we've seen with the Republicans, right?

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And what do I mean by that?

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I think some fairly extreme policies came out.

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I think that if I were to play the cards of a party person, there are some extreme measures that are needed, right?

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But some fairly extreme cards came out that I think most of the Republicans, like the standard Republicans, would have never gone with.

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But all three branches, the president and the movement behind it, they kind of got behind it.

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And you're starting to see some fracturing of that as well.

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You're starting to see some of the Republicans come out and say openly, no more war, right?

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We got to stop this thing.

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And I think, you know, you're probably going to see a lot of that with the Democrats, but

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I don't think they're going to allow the extreme stuff to come through.

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And I got to tell you, honestly, man, you know, you've got a framework that at least

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makes that something that would have to be slow rolled through arguments in courts and

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then precedent setting, right?

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So.

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Yeah, I see the point and I'm not going to disagree with you.

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I think the Republican Party has an issue as well because I think it's not one party

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anymore.

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It's really like MAGA and whatever the Republicans are, to be quite honest.

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Yep.

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But when it comes to the Democrat Party, I think the DSA is a problem.

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I think socialism is a problem, my perspective.

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Okay.

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And they have been infiltrated.

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And if we look at Congress as it sits, we already have members who claim to align with the DSA already.

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We have Ilhan Omar.

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We have Rashida Tlaib.

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We have the five who already are there.

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And if we get another 19 elected, I mean, they're going to slowly start tilting the balance.

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So, yeah, long term, you're correct.

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It's going to take a lot of passing of laws and legislation, et cetera, to change everything to become more socialist.

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list. But at the same time, this is showing a clear, to me, a clear divide within the

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Democrat Party in and of itself. And I think they're going to have to make a choice here

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because they don't, to me, seem like one party where they're all rallying together anymore.

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They're trying and they don't have a clear leader. I mean, who are we talking about,

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AOC or James Tallarico, who conflates religions and doesn't understand what religion he actually

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is and conflates the Bible with Islam

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and et cetera and just picks and chooses

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what ideology he wants just to get the vote.

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I mean, I

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think most people who

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align with the Democrat Party see through that as well.

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Oh, I'm sure.

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The thing is,

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I am hoping,

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I'm hoping the Democrat Party gets

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their shit together. And even if

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they win the midterm, at least I want to see

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people who still believe in America

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in Congress or in positions

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where they can actually affect America

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versus the DSA,

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who has a very clear mission

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to turn America into something

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that just is not what it is today.

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And they may argue it's good.

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I don't believe so.

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Socialism hasn't worked anywhere.

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Anywhere.

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It really just hasn't.

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And I understand that you're more...

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I understand that you may see things

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slightly different than me,

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but I think you and I will align on a lot of this.

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I don't want America to turn into a communist country.

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No, no.

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Not at all.

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Absolutely not, right? I mean, you can go through varying stages of different, you know, political ideology, right?

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And honestly, you know, what we have, what, you know, primarily a lot of the, you know, westernized countries have is far preferable to something that resembles socialism, right?

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And while the ideas aren't necessarily all terrible, the problem is that you have an excessively bloated government that will be in charge of this.

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I did some math back in like the 2000 range because someone was spouting off some numbers

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and I wanted to check it for every welfare recipient getting at the poverty level,

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getting their whatever welfare from all the programs combined.

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The total coming in would be about $12,500 per year.

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The amount of money going in was $85,000.

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Okay.

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Take that math and apply it to socialism.

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And you start to see where this just...

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I mean, it doesn't work, number one.

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Number two, I mean, we can't all agree on who should be running the show, number one.

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Do you also want them running all industry across the board?

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All in the means of production?

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Yeah, right.

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And so those are the things.

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And I think there also is a lot of fear mongering that comes in on this.

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And I do want to say this.

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First off, I'm not on either team.

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I don't like either team.

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I don't want anything to do with either team.

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Understood.

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What I will say is I think there's a lot of fear mongering that's coming in on the socialism aspect.

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And if you really look at it, what they're really trying for is kind of what they've said out loud, right?

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People should not go unhoused. People should have access to healthcare and it shouldn't ruin their

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life, right? Things of this nature. Do I think those are good ideas? Do you think we should

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socialize? No. But again, it's not the, we're going to turn into a true socialist country and

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And you know what I mean?

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So it's not like we're going into like a USSR or a North Korea type of a situation.

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But it's a slippery slope.

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Anytime anything erodes out of these liberties that we are supposed to have,

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it's just, you know, once you start the erosion process,

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it's just a matter of time before it's all gone.

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Yeah, I think you said what I was just going to say myself is I don't think the country will willingly turn that way, but it will over time through acceptance of giving up your liberties.

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And we've already seen that, though, throughout the years.

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Some states are worse than others.

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As you know, you're from California.

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We've seen that happen continuously in California where it's like, well, you don't need to.

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I mean, it's not healthy, but just saying using smoking, for example.

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You don't need to smoke.

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It's bad.

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is going to lead to cancer.

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Okay.

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For some, for some not, whatever.

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But then you're also taking people's right

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to enjoy whether or not they want to smoke.

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And then you're saying,

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well, now you can do it outside.

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And then they go, okay, that's fair.

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I don't want to have smoke,

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secondhand smoke,

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into the lungs of people around me

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in the restaurant.

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Okay, fine.

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Then you accept that.

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And then you accept,

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well, we have people eating outside too

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and smoke kind of still getting in.

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So it can't be within 20 feet of the door.

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And they're like, all right, fine.

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And now it's to the point where they're

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cities that are trying to ban tobacco sales in retail stores altogether.

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And it's even getting into the cigars,

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which I'm not going to stand for because I'm a cigar smoker.

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But it's like these...

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And I'm just using smoking.

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I know it's bad.

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But at the same time,

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you're telling people what they can and can't enjoy as adults.

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That's stupid, in my opinion.

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And it's not a hard drug.

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There's a big difference between that and cocaine.

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Let's just be honest.

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I get it.

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but that is where that's an example of how we slowly give away our freedoms

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because they take it away a little at a time because they try to justify the

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argument as in, well, this benefits these people in this way.

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So, you know, if you just give this up, you're actually benefiting society.

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Are you though? Are you though?

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Yeah, no, there's, there's a lot to be said for that. Right.

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And if you look at it, look for, look for other areas as well. Right.

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I mean, nobody's saying you can't drink alcohol. True.

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It's just as damaging.

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And it is.

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It's the slippery slope mechanism, right?

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It always is.

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You allow one little infringement for people's safety,

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and it's always about people's safety.

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And then more will come.

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More will follow.

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And this was one of the things that seemed off to me earlier on.

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It's like this desire.

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it seems the end game is we all live in a world prison and we get,

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you know,

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told what to do,

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when to wake up,

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you know,

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all,

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all this stuff and everyone's happy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah,

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absolutely.

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So look,

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I personally think the DSA is a problem.

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I understand where you're coming from and saying that we're not going to turn

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socialism tomorrow or go down the road,

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the USSR,

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but at the same time,

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these little things of,

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of willingly giving up their freedoms is how this is done.

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the DSA is spreading the age-old message of every socialist slash Marxist country, nation, whatever.

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We're for the people, the working people, right?

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They always use the working party angle to try to rally everybody.

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And what they don't understand is like, well, what happens when the working party is now the people in charge?

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And then they're going to further start to have to establish, well, someone has to lead.

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And it always ends up being a dictator or an authoritarian somehow.

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I don't know how, but it always works out that way.

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and they further divide the like they always say well you know we don't have a middle class anymore

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and we're in a class war with capitalism well what do you think you're gonna get into once you adopt

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socialism full-blown there isn't going to be a middle class there's going to be the lower class

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and the rulers and that's just it there is not going to be any more opportunities outside of

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what your rulers tell you you can have what your job may be valued out i mean you you think because

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you're a doctor you're still going to make a 300 something thousand a year with benefits

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hell no you're not they may go well we need you but we don't think you're worth more than 40 000

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there's no guarantee in all this so and maybe i'm going overboard with these examples but

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you know we've seen it we've seen it we've seen it in china it happened in china there's and

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they're still trying to enforce these policies and turn um other tribes and and um you know

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peoples in china who don't want to conform they're still trying to force them like the

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Falun Gong, for example.

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And so these things are still happening today.

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And I don't know why it is that the youth, for example,

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because those are the ones that they're hitting first.

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That's where they're getting the messaging to support the DSA.

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I don't know what we need to do to educate these people that this is not the path.

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I understand we're all frustrated because economy sucks right now.

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I get it.

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We didn't want to go to war.

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Understood.

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But I mean, the road to socialism is not the answer either.

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so how are we going to fix this

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how are we going to fix this havoc in your mind

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well it's hard right

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well it's a bigger question than just that right

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so okay there is so okay a couple of stats since 1913 the dollar has lost 97 of its purchasing power Right Since 1971 it lost 84 of its purchasing power

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Wages have not kept track with the cost of goods or the cost of living.

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We are in debt so badly right now with deficits that are spiking.

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and I don't know if you've been paying attention to the bond sales lately,

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but we're starting to offer bonds at unreasonable amounts of interest,

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which is, believe me, that if there were a canary in a coal mine, that's the one.

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And so I've got children.

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And here's the thing.

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They have no hope, right?

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a new vehicle nowadays is like, you know, I mean, if I make that payment, I have to go rent a room

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instead of, you know, having, you know, it's ridiculous, whatever. I can't find a place to

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live. And my hope at 27, 28 years old of ever owning a home is a distant, you know, dream.

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It'll never happen. So you look at those things and you see that our youth has been disaffected

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in a way that is massively impacting their quality of life.

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They see all of the older generation,

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you've seen it over and over again,

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blaming the boomers for all this.

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The real blame lies with the government

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and the Federal Reserve.

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I promise you that.

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But I think that's the big issue.

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And if you want to tackle it,

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you've got to do something to stop the spending.

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You've got to stop the bleeding.

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It can't be just continue to raise the debt ceiling.

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And we've got to start normalizing our economy in a way that's meaningful to everyone, not just stockholders, not just the people with billion dollar plus markets.

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It's got to be for the average Joe working a starting job.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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And I said this earlier to someone, when I was growing up, I lived in a nice home and, you know, myself and my sibling.

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And, you know, we lived in a nice area and we had a vehicle and, you know, there was only one person working in the house.

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That was it.

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You can't do that today.

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So we're in danger, though.

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again i hear what you're saying but if you're sitting there and your hope your hope is just

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you've been watching like you know from obama to then trump to then biden now trump again and

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nothing has gotten better it's all gotten worse for you you start to get in your head well maybe

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it's the economic you know system that we've got yeah yeah yeah no maybe this is better i understand

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and and that's where i'm going with it with my response to this is um i'm not disagreeing with

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you by the way it's just with it with what everything you said we are in danger of sending

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the message that capitalism is a failure and it's not that capitalism is a failure a failure is

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fiscal responsibility and accountability the failure is getting off the gold standard and

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giving the fed all control that was the failures it wasn't capitalism itself mix that in with

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corporate cronyism as well and nepotism yeah so it's it's like that was the problem is is you know

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people in control are going to find a way to maintain control.

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And they did that by manipulating the systems.

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But we can also argue, and I know you're probably going to be behind what I'm saying here,

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is the people didn't step up to hold anyone accountable either.

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They didn't stand up to their government.

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They just let it happen.

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And that's the power we are supposed to have, you know, by way of the Constitution, as it is written.

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We should be able to do that.

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But nobody ever does.

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Everyone's afraid to stand up to the government for whatever reason and take control and keep it on track.

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So it's like we did it to ourselves.

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I can't remember.

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Who was it?

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Was it Payne?

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Was it?

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I don't remember who said it, but, you know, and I'm paraphrasing here.

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Whenever these things become repugnant to the Constitution, it is not only your right, but your duty to alter or abolish it.

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And we've sat by and watched.

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We have the power.

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We do.

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But the problem is, is we all have been, and this is where we may disagree, but we have all been kind of told that the power lies within our vote.

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And I'm telling you right now, voting will change nothing.

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And if you haven't seen that yet, I don't know what to tell you.

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No, I get where you're coming from because our vote elects a representative, but you don't have any real control of that representative actually doing their damn job.

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and they're in office until the next vote.

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00:30:54,660 --> 00:30:56,600
You don't even have control over the representative.

454
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,520
Did you choose Trump to run?

455
00:31:00,180 --> 00:31:00,540
I didn't.

456
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:01,560
No, I didn't.

457
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,420
So you got handed, here's like our two guys.

458
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,920
We think you'll choose one, you know, four guys.

459
00:31:07,060 --> 00:31:08,360
You're going to go ahead and choose one.

460
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,800
That's four people out of 300 million, right?

461
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,160
We'll call it 170, right?

462
00:31:14,620 --> 00:31:16,080
Even call it 100.

463
00:31:16,380 --> 00:31:19,420
That's four people out of 100 million people.

464
00:31:19,580 --> 00:31:20,440
Were they the best?

465
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:26,180
were they the people the people wanted no it's who the ones that got the most money and backing

466
00:31:26,180 --> 00:31:31,300
it's who the party wanted right and the party wants those people because they will do what the

467
00:31:31,300 --> 00:31:36,980
party wants yes and that's the problem we've gotten into this partisan policy politics and

468
00:31:36,980 --> 00:31:43,860
it's what the party wants not the people uh and the party puts the candidates up and the party

469
00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:53,180
pushes to elect these candidates. So it's unfortunately one of those things where

470
00:31:53,180 --> 00:32:01,740
I don't know how to change it because I believe that violence should be reserved for self-defense.

471
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:12,060
And I don't know how you affect the change at this point other than literally just don't show up.

472
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:21,180
Like at some point, you know, you get like, you know, the screen comes up on election day and there's, you know, 27 votes for one guy and 15 for the other.

473
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,360
And everyone goes, doesn't matter.

474
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,040
I'm not paying any attention to you.

475
00:32:25,620 --> 00:32:26,460
That would be something.

476
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,080
Yeah, I don't disagree with anything you said, honestly.

477
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:36,040
you know and we saw a perfect example of what what what your uh example that you gave was

478
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:42,680
where the democrat party when they sidelined joe biden and they didn't even give the people a chance

479
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,580
to vote well who who will be our representative they just pushed comment there and everyone's like

480
00:32:47,580 --> 00:32:53,860
huh that's not that wasn't the move you know there were there were people in the democrat

481
00:32:53,860 --> 00:32:58,460
party that had other ideas and it's just like all of a sudden it's like no primary and nothing

482
00:32:58,460 --> 00:33:00,740
just like, here's who we're going with.

483
00:33:01,340 --> 00:33:03,800
I was like, hmm, well, that was pretty eye-opening, right?

484
00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:10,220
So that was an example right there of the parties at work

485
00:33:10,220 --> 00:33:12,040
not working on your behalf for sure.

486
00:33:12,980 --> 00:33:14,880
I still think the vote matters to a degree

487
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,080
because that's all we have.

488
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,300
But your argument is like,

489
00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:22,600
I can't argue too much against what you said

490
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,120
because it's a theoretical for one,

491
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,660
because we don't have direct control.

492
00:33:27,660 --> 00:33:29,280
we have control to elect a representative,

493
00:33:29,380 --> 00:33:32,060
but we still can't control what those representatives actually do.

494
00:33:32,460 --> 00:33:35,060
And the only way that we can show them that we're in control is after they've

495
00:33:35,060 --> 00:33:37,380
done the damage and we don't elect them again for one.

496
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:38,160
And two,

497
00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:38,640
like you said,

498
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:39,740
the parties like the RNC,

499
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,400
DNC,

500
00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:43,140
they seem to just without,

501
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,660
without our knowledge or,

502
00:33:44,660 --> 00:33:47,800
or even consenting to us as citizens,

503
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,840
they're the ones who present to us who it is that they want to push in to be

504
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:53,400
the representative.

505
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,400
Like we don't get a fair shake at everybody who's trying to apply to run for

506
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:02,080
president, for example, or shoot, even at the local politics level, you don't really

507
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,720
get to see everybody, you know?

508
00:34:03,860 --> 00:34:06,960
So the system does need to be reformed.

509
00:34:07,180 --> 00:34:11,700
But I mean, what other way would we be able to do that in your mind?

510
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,080
Like how else would we be able to give everyone a fair shake at reaching the people without

511
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,1000
making it an extremely long process?

512
00:34:20,980 --> 00:34:21,180
Yeah.

513
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:22,200
Right?

514
00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:26,020
The three boxes theory comes back to mind, right?

515
00:34:26,020 --> 00:34:27,620
And again, I don't like it.

516
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,980
It's a terrible, terrible idea.

517
00:34:30,380 --> 00:34:37,200
But it's the speech box, stomping.

518
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,780
We could do the whole soapbox Sundays or something, right?

519
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:41,240
Or the ballot box.

520
00:34:41,620 --> 00:34:41,840
Yeah.

521
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,020
Or the cartridge box, right?

522
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:46,380
Cartridge box.

523
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:46,940
Yeah.

524
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,380
Meaning ammunition.

525
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:49,1000
I kind of got that.

526
00:34:49,1000 --> 00:34:50,160
Yeah.

527
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,1000
And that's the worst case, right?

528
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:55,340
I mean, that is the absolute worst case.

529
00:34:55,340 --> 00:34:57,120
and people calling for that,

530
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,800
you're a complete moron.

531
00:34:58,900 --> 00:34:59,180
I'm sorry.

532
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,020
I have nothing else to say,

533
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,240
but that is a lot of the people

534
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:06,920
you call neighbor or friend dying.

535
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:07,860
Right.

536
00:35:08,340 --> 00:35:08,780
Right.

537
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:09,180
Understood.

538
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,640
But wouldn't it be kind of cool

539
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,220
to see people go back to those days

540
00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:14,620
of being on the corner,

541
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:16,520
three people on their soapboxes

542
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:17,740
trying to get people's attention?

543
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:18,880
It would.

544
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:19,700
It would.

545
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:20,880
It would also be really cool

546
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,460
to see politicians dragged out of office

547
00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:26,1000
when they did the exact opposite of what they platformed on.

548
00:35:26,1000 --> 00:35:27,220
Absolutely.

549
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,340
And then tarred and feathered and left on the lawn.

550
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:31,700
Like, there you are.

551
00:35:32,660 --> 00:35:35,720
You get what you deserve, right?

552
00:35:36,260 --> 00:35:38,780
That goes back to what we're talking about with accountability havoc.

553
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,440
It's like these people, you're right.

554
00:35:41,460 --> 00:35:43,700
If they're not delivering on their promises based on...

555
00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:46,560
Like, they sold you a bad bill of goods.

556
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:47,520
Like, they sold you a lemon.

557
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:49,460
Literally told you what you wanted to hear.

558
00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:52,220
They got an office and they're not doing their damn job.

559
00:35:52,220 --> 00:35:54,400
we would fire any corporate executive

560
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,620
who sold them a bill of goods

561
00:35:56,620 --> 00:35:58,780
got in there, did not

562
00:35:58,780 --> 00:36:00,540
do what they were going to say and started tanking the company

563
00:36:00,540 --> 00:36:02,140
they'd be gone, but for some reason

564
00:36:02,140 --> 00:36:04,860
we stick behind these politicians and trust them

565
00:36:04,860 --> 00:36:06,880
and I don't know if it's that we all

566
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,020
trust them, like you don't, I don't

567
00:36:09,020 --> 00:36:11,060
but the general public, I don't think they care enough

568
00:36:11,060 --> 00:36:12,980
it's like they don't want to

569
00:36:12,980 --> 00:36:14,240
concern themselves with it

570
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,620
and they want to bury their heads in the sand, I hate that

571
00:36:16,620 --> 00:36:18,640
because those are the same people that always

572
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,900
want to complain about things but don't want to do anything

573
00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:24,800
as simple as just paying attention to who it is you're fucking actually trying to elect in the

574
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:33,720
office. Yeah. The populace has become apathetic, right? And there's no question about that.

575
00:36:34,580 --> 00:36:40,240
And I guess there's a certain amount of understanding that comes along with that,

576
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,500
right? I mean, we all know, are familiar with the term Stockholm syndrome.

577
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:45,220
Yes, absolutely.

578
00:36:45,220 --> 00:36:48,780
And there's only so many times you can get beat over the head before you just

579
00:36:48,780 --> 00:36:53,320
kind of just continue around with your day and, and, you know, okay,

580
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:59,440
whack up, just keep washing dishes, you know? And, and I, you know, so yeah,

581
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,660
I, I, you know, I really don't know, you know,

582
00:37:03,580 --> 00:37:08,240
the solution honestly is to hold them accountable and we have to do it.

583
00:37:08,380 --> 00:37:11,340
You're going to, I don't, in my time,

584
00:37:11,340 --> 00:37:16,600
I've seen 50 years worth of congressional hearings and I've never seen a single

585
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,1000
person hold accountable.

586
00:37:17,1000 --> 00:37:19,860
Like, oh, you're a bad boy.

587
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:20,980
Okay, next.

588
00:37:21,620 --> 00:37:25,160
They make them answer questions and then nothing happens.

589
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:26,780
What's the point of these hearings?

590
00:37:26,780 --> 00:37:29,060
Well, the point is, and this is quite honest, right?

591
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:37,500
The only point of these, and if you pay attention to the cycle of them, is to get sound bites and clips so that they can rile the base for the next election.

592
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:44,160
They literally get elected and the immediate thing they start doing is working on re-election.

593
00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:46,480
I mean, you're not wrong there.

594
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,760
It does seem to kind of always align.

595
00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:52,440
And if it's not a politician they're questioning, it's someone else we're throwing under the bus.

596
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,840
So that makes a politician look good.

597
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:55,720
Hey, it wasn't me.

598
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,600
It was Oliver North, remember?

599
00:37:57,260 --> 00:37:57,380
Yeah.

600
00:37:57,980 --> 00:37:58,380
Yeah.

601
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:03,880
And even if it's not military and it's like Bill Gates was holding in front of Congress, right?

602
00:38:03,940 --> 00:38:04,320
Yeah, exactly.

603
00:38:04,580 --> 00:38:09,160
And again, it's a never-ending thing, right?

604
00:38:09,580 --> 00:38:10,960
Welcome to the circus, man.

605
00:38:11,660 --> 00:38:11,940
Okay.

606
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,460
So then do we have any hope, man?

607
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,700
We sound pretty down.

608
00:38:15,260 --> 00:38:16,160
We do.

609
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,260
We have a lot of hope.

610
00:38:17,460 --> 00:38:18,200
We have a lot of hope.

611
00:38:18,340 --> 00:38:20,160
There are a lot of people that truly care.

612
00:38:20,460 --> 00:38:23,240
And I'm even going to talk to the extreme,

613
00:38:23,820 --> 00:38:26,320
forgive me saying it,

614
00:38:26,380 --> 00:38:28,620
but some of these guys are very cult-like

615
00:38:28,620 --> 00:38:29,360
in their following,

616
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,400
but on both sides, right?

617
00:38:31,460 --> 00:38:33,180
The DSA cult-like following,

618
00:38:33,460 --> 00:38:37,740
as well as the portion of MAGA that is just,

619
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,520
there's nothing the man could ever do, right?

620
00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:42,140
Yeah.

621
00:38:42,580 --> 00:38:43,720
Even with those people,

622
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:44,880
they sense something's wrong.

623
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,360
They know something's wrong.

624
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:48,440
They know if you,

625
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,500
in some of the chat rooms I was in

626
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:53,220
prior to this election,

627
00:38:53,820 --> 00:39:07,200
they were very able to see what was wrong with the current admin at the time Now when you point out things that are wrong they like no no no So the hope is they do see it right

628
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,040
And eventually, I hope we'll actually get it.

629
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,540
It's pervasive.

630
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,519
A lot of people call it the uni party, right?

631
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:23,040
Because the idea is there's some little teeny differences that rile up the base here and there,

632
00:39:23,179 --> 00:39:25,179
but in general, very similar.

633
00:39:25,540 --> 00:39:31,660
Yeah, but I mean, if we're going to take this back to the Trump 2.0 election here, I mean, what the hell were the options, really?

634
00:39:32,499 --> 00:39:36,340
I mean, Kamala or Trump, we weren't really given much.

635
00:39:36,959 --> 00:39:38,939
No, no, it was a lose-lose.

636
00:39:38,939 --> 00:39:43,100
But I mean, you could argue every one of them is a lose-lose.

637
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:43,679
Right.

638
00:39:43,780 --> 00:39:55,240
And the worst part about that is, you know, the one thing I wish people would see more of is, and I've recognized this, is it's getting more extreme every time.

639
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:56,519
the pendulum swings.

640
00:39:56,860 --> 00:39:57,919
It does seem to be, yeah.

641
00:39:57,999 --> 00:40:00,040
When your person is in power,

642
00:40:00,479 --> 00:40:04,040
just remember that the things they do now,

643
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,340
when the pendulum swings,

644
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:07,479
because it will,

645
00:40:07,660 --> 00:40:10,120
there's no getting rid of the other party.

646
00:40:10,919 --> 00:40:12,400
It's not going to happen.

647
00:40:12,780 --> 00:40:13,760
It will swing.

648
00:40:13,919 --> 00:40:14,959
And when it does,

649
00:40:15,260 --> 00:40:17,860
they are going to use that as precedent

650
00:40:17,860 --> 00:40:20,900
and bolster it and make it worse.

651
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,999
And then swing back,

652
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:24,200
use that,

653
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:30,160
bolster it, bring back. But I do think there is hope. People are seeing this. A lot of people

654
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:34,939
are waking up. I'm seeing more and more people literally sitting there throwing their hands up

655
00:40:34,939 --> 00:40:40,919
in the air and thinking we had the perfect candidate, at least from what we were told

656
00:40:40,919 --> 00:40:47,439
was going to happen. And it didn't happen. And this is broken. I don't know what to do,

657
00:40:47,439 --> 00:40:56,280
but it's broken. And that gives me hope because the more people see that, the more people will

658
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:03,100
start to take action and get out on those boxes and start stumping. They'll get out there and try

659
00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:09,179
and make changes and also educate their children, right? Educate your kids, right?

660
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,459
It's on you how you want to do that, but educate them, right? Give them the real history of things.

661
00:41:16,459 --> 00:41:28,580
Give them the reality of the situation and try not to be as radically segmented from another portion of the population.

662
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,400
Try to give them an education that talks about the other side.

663
00:41:33,979 --> 00:41:34,620
Right?

664
00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:42,280
I think the hope that we have, though, you have and most of us who care about this country have,

665
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,380
is we're going to have to use that in 2028.

666
00:41:46,459 --> 00:41:48,300
because midterms

667
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:51,179
right now, it ain't going to really matter.

668
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:52,979
The only thing that matters to me is not

669
00:41:52,979 --> 00:41:55,200
electing DSA candidates. That's all I care about.

670
00:41:55,999 --> 00:41:57,260
I don't really care if the Democrats

671
00:41:57,260 --> 00:41:58,939
get control

672
00:41:58,939 --> 00:42:01,220
anymore at this point because I live through, I don't know how many

673
00:42:01,220 --> 00:42:02,660
years of them having control anyway. It's

674
00:42:02,660 --> 00:42:05,179
whatever. What I would like to see

675
00:42:05,179 --> 00:42:07,380
though is not total control. I'd like to see more balance.

676
00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:09,120
I want to see a more balanced

677
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,700
Congress. That's what I want to see.

678
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,979
I want to see a more balanced House. I want to see a more balanced

679
00:42:12,979 --> 00:42:15,160
Senate. That's what I'd like to see, but I do not

680
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,080
want to see a democratic socialist elected. I mean, if that happens, I'm going to be honest,

681
00:42:19,140 --> 00:42:24,820
man, I might throw my hands up. I don't know. But I do want to see a more balanced midterm election

682
00:42:24,820 --> 00:42:29,880
that balances Congress out. That's what I'm looking for. But 2028, as far as hope is concerned,

683
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:33,640
I don't know what it's going to look like for the presidential candidate at that time.

684
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,840
We know Trump's done. I think Trump knows he's done. And I think that's part of the reason he's

685
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,860
turned on everybody to a degree because he knows this is it. He's going to do what he wants to do,

686
00:42:42,860 --> 00:42:49,840
get it done because he knows he's gone and he doesn't care who it hurts or what breaks along

687
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:55,840
the way and now we can argue he's looking for down the road sort of situations like yeah it's

688
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,800
gonna suck now but down the road it's gonna even out for america because these policies and whatever

689
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:06,720
he's trying to do is gonna be better for us but right now people are suffering and right now it's

690
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:11,459
it's really motivating as you were talking about earlier the youth to look at this shiny socialism

691
00:43:11,459 --> 00:43:13,740
ideology because

692
00:43:13,740 --> 00:43:15,979
they don't see a way forward

693
00:43:15,979 --> 00:43:16,580
right now.

694
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:18,640
Unfortunately.

695
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,999
So let's dive into a little

696
00:43:21,999 --> 00:43:22,720
something different.

697
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,439
So I think DSA is a problem.

698
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:27,959
But how about ideologies? Where are you at

699
00:43:27,959 --> 00:43:29,939
with that? Is Islam

700
00:43:29,939 --> 00:43:31,959
a problem as we see it right

701
00:43:31,959 --> 00:43:33,959
now? And when I'm talking about

702
00:43:33,959 --> 00:43:35,679
that, we're talking about candidates like

703
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:37,860
Mamdani. We've seen his policies and how

704
00:43:37,860 --> 00:43:39,080
they're really working out in New York, which

705
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:44,519
not really uh we see the push for al-sayab and we've seen a lot of these candidates that have

706
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:48,900
gotten their money from literally from muslim brotherhood from different organizations like

707
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:55,180
care um and other organizations that are tied to actual terrorist terrorist cells like literally

708
00:43:55,180 --> 00:43:58,939
and now i'm not going to get too deep in the weeds we can at another time if you want to

709
00:43:58,939 --> 00:44:04,060
have researched all this but the reality is do you see that as a real threat or is that just more

710
00:44:04,060 --> 00:44:14,100
noise. Yes. Cool. So it is both. So here's the thing, and this is the part that really gets me,

711
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:21,399
right? So we like to throw out, Islam is the problem, right? Muslims are the problem.

712
00:44:21,399 --> 00:44:30,519
And that I disagree with. That I wholeheartedly disagree with. What I do agree with is these,

713
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:40,899
PACs, these agencies that put together funding, lobbyists, etc., CARE.

714
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:47,399
What I see a problem with is these things amassing great amounts of money and then

715
00:44:47,399 --> 00:44:54,260
donating them in to effect change. That I see a problem with. I see a problem with anyone that

716
00:44:54,260 --> 00:45:00,360
is radical. I don't care what religion you happen to be of. If you are completely radicalized,

717
00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:02,640
I think you've got a problem, right?

718
00:45:03,540 --> 00:45:05,499
And that goes across the board.

719
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:10,060
So, you know, I don't see Islam as the problem.

720
00:45:10,399 --> 00:45:11,479
I really don't.

721
00:45:11,860 --> 00:45:15,100
I've met quite a number of people that are Islamic,

722
00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:19,640
and I've never, you know, I've had deep conversations with them.

723
00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:23,700
And, you know, I think there are areas where people, you know,

724
00:45:24,340 --> 00:45:28,419
take things a bit far, right?

725
00:45:28,419 --> 00:45:33,640
I mean, if you look at the Bible, there's certainly, especially if you look at the Old Testament, right?

726
00:45:33,979 --> 00:45:36,860
Which is one that gets trotted out and quoted all the time.

727
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,900
There are places in there where you could go, holy, you know what I mean?

728
00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:51,080
And so I think what happens is you've got people that are doing those sorts of things and pointing to those and they are radicalized.

729
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:53,700
And yeah, I see that as a problem.

730
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,080
And it doesn't matter what your religion is.

731
00:45:56,900 --> 00:45:58,400
I definitely have a different take.

732
00:45:58,419 --> 00:46:00,459
because I've definitely studied and looked into this,

733
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,180
but this isn't for me to argue with you.

734
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:05,540
It's just we do have a difference between Sunni and Shia.

735
00:46:05,860 --> 00:46:06,880
Oh, yes, for one.

736
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:10,360
So maybe your experience has been more with the good side.

737
00:46:10,620 --> 00:46:12,280
We do have the extremist view.

738
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:15,240
And I will argue that, yes, Muslims in general,

739
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,080
as a person, when you're born, you're not,

740
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,720
you're born a Muslim, you don't get a choice.

741
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:22,380
Just as I was born in America and my dad was a Catholic

742
00:46:22,380 --> 00:46:23,840
and I got into Christianity.

743
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:25,680
I'm not saying I'm a good Christian anymore,

744
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,519
But still, I'm just saying, you're born into it.

745
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:31,220
If someone's a Muslim, they're born to be that.

746
00:46:31,399 --> 00:46:32,499
You don't get that choice.

747
00:46:32,580 --> 00:46:34,320
Just as someone born in Nigeria doesn't have a choice.

748
00:46:34,499 --> 00:46:37,720
They're born to Nigeria, and unfortunately, sometimes they're just born into a bad life.

749
00:46:38,479 --> 00:46:47,320
So point being is I can't ignore the 1,400-year history of Islam and its conquest and everything

750
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,479
that's done as it has spread and what it has done to try to destroy the West.

751
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:52,080
And to this day, they still have the outlook.

752
00:46:52,179 --> 00:46:52,720
Now, not all.

753
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,140
As we said, there are differences.

754
00:46:54,659 --> 00:46:56,439
We look to Indonesia as a shining light,

755
00:46:57,220 --> 00:46:58,879
largest Muslim population on the earth,

756
00:46:58,939 --> 00:47:00,979
and they're not a terrorist state.

757
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:01,620
Exactly.

758
00:47:01,899 --> 00:47:02,640
So I get it.

759
00:47:02,740 --> 00:47:03,640
I get where you're coming from.

760
00:47:03,939 --> 00:47:06,179
But the problem we have here right now,

761
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:06,519
Havoc,

762
00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:09,100
my argument is these candidates,

763
00:47:09,260 --> 00:47:13,260
the people that they're trying to put into place of power are absolutely

764
00:47:13,260 --> 00:47:17,499
influenced and controlled by the negative Islamists,

765
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:18,679
by the extremists.

766
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,679
And that is what I have an issue with.

767
00:47:21,179 --> 00:47:22,379
It's not that I hate a Muslim,

768
00:47:22,459 --> 00:47:22,760
by the way.

769
00:47:22,999 --> 00:47:23,580
It's just,

770
00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:29,379
They have too many ties to powers that be that want to topple the United States of America.

771
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:40,300
And when you dig into their speeches and what like, look, I have clips I could share with you later of Mamdani stating things that he would never get elected for if he actually said them today.

772
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:48,439
He literally said his plan is to infiltrate the Democrat Party and spread the DSA doctrine across the United States.

773
00:47:48,439 --> 00:47:49,459
Literally said that.

774
00:47:49,459 --> 00:47:58,019
You have Al-Sayed who's given speeches and who has definitely sided with Hassan Piker and has said that his goal is to spread Islam.

775
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:08,660
And you have CARE where he was endorsing the speech where they said their goal is to spread mosques around the United States to the level of 4,000.

776
00:48:09,140 --> 00:48:10,540
Their goal is to get funding.

777
00:48:10,540 --> 00:48:24,140
Their goal was to get funding through all these mosques to send people to colleges in political science degrees to get filmmaking education and also journalists so that they can control the narrative.

778
00:48:24,860 --> 00:48:29,939
They can make the propaganda and they can affect change through laws that benefit them.

779
00:48:30,459 --> 00:48:31,380
These are things that are said.

780
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:32,499
It's not hidden.

781
00:48:32,939 --> 00:48:33,800
So those are my concerns.

782
00:48:33,919 --> 00:48:35,040
It's not the average person.

783
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:35,860
I'm with you on that.

784
00:48:36,459 --> 00:48:39,220
But the people that are running aren't the average person, unfortunately.

785
00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:39,300
No.

786
00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:52,300
No. And you know what? I would argue that that applies to 99% of them, right? Not just Muslim. The people that are running for office are...

787
00:48:53,499 --> 00:48:56,800
No, no, no. I get you there. Yeah, I understand that.

788
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:06,860
The reason I temper that, and here's the big reason, we have arguably a fairly healthy population of Muslims, right?

789
00:49:07,220 --> 00:49:07,479
We do.

790
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:12,080
As well as Jews and Christians and atheists and everyone else.

791
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:25,800
We've seen before when we start saying it's Muslims, the next thing you know, people are being beat up on buses and clocked on streets.

792
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:34,080
stuff like this. And I would say that's where I temper that because those people aren't your enemy,

793
00:49:34,459 --> 00:49:43,180
right? At least I don't believe they are, right? The people you're talking about, yeah. I mean,

794
00:49:43,220 --> 00:49:50,019
if you're openly espousing for that, for the takeover, the eventual takeover of a state,

795
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:56,220
and that's what that sounds like, right? If you want to take over, you change the hearts and minds

796
00:49:56,220 --> 00:49:59,580
and you do that slowly through kind of a predictive programming,

797
00:49:59,939 --> 00:50:04,320
movies, journalism, education, etc.

798
00:50:04,499 --> 00:50:04,740
Right?

799
00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:06,840
So, yes, I see that's bad.

800
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:13,979
But I also see it's bad no matter what that fundamentalism is coming from.

801
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:14,760
True.

802
00:50:14,860 --> 00:50:17,919
But if it's bad, why is it looked down upon to call it out?

803
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:18,379
Okay?

804
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,840
Because the argument being here is we have...

805
00:50:22,340 --> 00:50:23,560
And again, not all.

806
00:50:23,860 --> 00:50:24,899
I'm on the same page with you.

807
00:50:25,340 --> 00:50:25,840
Not all.

808
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:32,280
But we do have actual organizations whose entire goal is to bring the United States from within.

809
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:33,919
This is what they've been doing in Europe.

810
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,280
This is what they've been doing in the UK.

811
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:36,459
They've been trying to do it in Italy.

812
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,040
And they've stated it.

813
00:50:38,740 --> 00:50:39,140
Absolutely.

814
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,640
So that's what I'm trying to avoid is that situation, if we can.

815
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:54,399
So we don't have the national, I don't know, or the worldwide satanic terrorist organization, for example, running for office.

816
00:50:54,399 --> 00:50:57,080
outwardly professing.

817
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:57,700
You know what I'm saying?

818
00:50:58,680 --> 00:50:59,700
That's what I'm trying to get.

819
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,280
Yes, we have bad people.

820
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:02,479
We have some jackasses

821
00:51:02,479 --> 00:51:03,640
that shouldn't be in office

822
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:04,999
and be given power at all.

823
00:51:05,399 --> 00:51:06,080
And yeah, they're part of

824
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,479
some secret organizations, etc.

825
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,360
I get that that happens,

826
00:51:09,740 --> 00:51:11,080
but they're not to the level

827
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,140
of power or numbers

828
00:51:14,140 --> 00:51:16,879
that these extremist organizations are,

829
00:51:17,140 --> 00:51:18,100
as in Islam.

830
00:51:18,620 --> 00:51:20,100
Yes, we have white supremacists

831
00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:20,979
that have some control,

832
00:51:21,260 --> 00:51:22,899
but I mean, let's just be honest.

833
00:51:22,899 --> 00:51:24,180
They're still not to the level

834
00:51:24,180 --> 00:51:28,800
of size that the extremist Islamic organizations are,

835
00:51:28,899 --> 00:51:31,800
especially those that are ran and funded by Iran

836
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,720
and other related organizations.

837
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:37,140
So that's where my concern is,

838
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:38,499
not targeting people,

839
00:51:38,820 --> 00:51:41,879
but making sure that we stop these organizations

840
00:51:41,879 --> 00:51:45,040
and their representatives from infiltrating

841
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,399
our political, our governance, for example,

842
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,120
to where they can actually start affecting

843
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,659
and changing things from within,

844
00:51:52,979 --> 00:51:53,999
right from under our feet.

845
00:51:54,179 --> 00:51:55,479
that's my concern

846
00:51:55,479 --> 00:51:56,379
so

847
00:51:56,379 --> 00:51:57,859
I don't know

848
00:51:57,859 --> 00:51:59,379
my

849
00:51:59,379 --> 00:52:00,720
I guess

850
00:52:00,744 --> 00:52:02,564
response to that would be this, right?

851
00:52:03,044 --> 00:52:03,964
We know this.

852
00:52:04,784 --> 00:52:06,584
Yeah, we do. These are

853
00:52:06,584 --> 00:52:08,984
openly stated goals. Yes, sir.

854
00:52:12,344 --> 00:52:14,844
That would, at least to my

855
00:52:14,844 --> 00:52:16,744
eye, mean that our government

856
00:52:16,744 --> 00:52:17,404
knows this.

857
00:52:18,924 --> 00:52:19,884
We would assume.

858
00:52:20,684 --> 00:52:22,844
So, why haven't they

859
00:52:22,844 --> 00:52:24,664
done anything about it? Exactly.

860
00:52:25,104 --> 00:52:26,764
So, there's the question, right? Yeah.

861
00:52:26,844 --> 00:52:28,784
Because they're just coming in. They don't hold

862
00:52:28,784 --> 00:52:30,284
power. They don't hold anything.

863
00:52:30,744 --> 00:52:38,064
The big question I would be asking yourself is not so much, you know, these are the bad guys, but why is this being allowed?

864
00:52:38,504 --> 00:52:39,364
I have asked that.

865
00:52:39,684 --> 00:52:40,284
Yeah, I have.

866
00:52:40,284 --> 00:52:54,684
And so that's the bigger question is why is our government allowing extremists with a stated goal of bringing down the United States to hold offices, to hold power?

867
00:52:55,004 --> 00:52:57,564
Because it's George Soros and the WEF.

868
00:52:57,564 --> 00:53:05,144
well i i i don't know right i mean don't get me wrong i am i am somewhat conspiratorial right but

869
00:53:05,144 --> 00:53:10,764
i mean the evidence is in front of your eyes and right i i did a little thing the other day just to

870
00:53:10,764 --> 00:53:16,284
see what what are the proven actual conspiracy theories dude it's three pages long and very

871
00:53:16,284 --> 00:53:36,115
small font and it it a lot dude not so conspiratorial are they right so so i guess yeah that where I would go with it is we get this we know this but it not kosher right It not legal You can be plotting the downfall of the United

872
00:53:36,115 --> 00:53:45,355
States and run for office and get in office. We have words for that. And yeah, so that's where I

873
00:53:45,355 --> 00:53:52,835
would point back is why hasn't it been dealt with yeah i agree i totally agree and and i don't think

874
00:53:52,835 --> 00:53:57,475
enough people are actually asking that question uh they're they're just looking at what's in front

875
00:53:57,475 --> 00:54:02,375
of them but they're not asking why is it being allowed yeah why in this sovereign state are we

876
00:54:02,375 --> 00:54:08,135
allowing something that's so opposed to our actual ideology that doesn't make any sense it really

877
00:54:08,135 --> 00:54:10,035
doesn't. And that is

878
00:54:10,035 --> 00:54:10,875
the

879
00:54:10,875 --> 00:54:14,095
big question mark on a lot of things,

880
00:54:14,155 --> 00:54:15,955
right? Why are we

881
00:54:15,955 --> 00:54:17,695
allowing this? All right, so

882
00:54:17,695 --> 00:54:20,035
let's try to bring this all back

883
00:54:20,035 --> 00:54:22,035
together here before we end. Awesome.

884
00:54:22,715 --> 00:54:24,135
To fix America, it sounds

885
00:54:24,135 --> 00:54:26,135
like we got to, one, stick

886
00:54:26,135 --> 00:54:27,235
to the damn Constitution.

887
00:54:28,095 --> 00:54:30,175
Two, hold our elected

888
00:54:30,175 --> 00:54:32,155
officials accountable, like really hold them accountable.

889
00:54:32,615 --> 00:54:33,955
Like physically, if you have to, I think

890
00:54:33,955 --> 00:54:36,075
sometimes. Get back

891
00:54:36,075 --> 00:54:37,795
in the gold standard, maybe get rid of the Fed.

892
00:54:38,135 --> 00:54:41,675
And stop spending so much damn money and throw in our use future away.

893
00:54:42,835 --> 00:54:44,435
That sounds like a good plan.

894
00:54:45,055 --> 00:54:55,085
All right I mean honestly you know it it here a real funny one What one Everything you just mentioned is the Libertarian Party platform

895
00:54:56,885 --> 00:54:58,045
It makes sense.

896
00:54:58,585 --> 00:55:05,465
I mean, I think that's the platform of our founding fathers, to be quite honest.

897
00:55:06,285 --> 00:55:08,225
It is very close to that.

898
00:55:08,305 --> 00:55:12,385
And that's where, like I said earlier, the minarchist comes in, right?

899
00:55:12,385 --> 00:55:22,665
You look at someone that believes that there is a need for government, but it needs to be extremely, extremely small and extremely contained with well-defined rights.

900
00:55:22,885 --> 00:55:32,225
Yeah, 10th Amendment, 9th Amendment, and individual liberty being above the basic government in general.

901
00:55:33,385 --> 00:55:38,805
And so, yeah, I think that would be a good start, man.

902
00:55:39,205 --> 00:55:40,645
It would be a really good start.

903
00:55:40,645 --> 00:55:44,865
Havoc, let's talk about where people can find you,

904
00:55:45,005 --> 00:55:46,725
where they can find Space Tomatoes,

905
00:55:47,345 --> 00:55:48,685
and any socials you may have.

906
00:55:49,625 --> 00:55:53,985
Hey, well, you can find us at spacetomatoes.net.

907
00:55:55,045 --> 00:55:56,945
All of our episodes are listed there.

908
00:55:57,125 --> 00:56:00,205
You can also find us on wherever podcasts are played.

909
00:56:00,685 --> 00:56:02,545
We host off fountain.fm,

910
00:56:02,625 --> 00:56:05,225
but you can find us on all the other platforms.

911
00:56:05,365 --> 00:56:09,225
On YouTube, you'll find us at spacetomatoespc.

912
00:56:09,225 --> 00:56:20,015
I believe or is it It might be Space Tomatoes Podcast Sorry I don have it off the top of my head On X you can find us at

913
00:56:20,015 --> 00:56:26,795
at Space Tomatoes PC. And on Instagram, it is Space Tomatoes.

914
00:56:27,055 --> 00:56:31,835
I'm going to go to your YouTube here real quick, just so people can see that. That way you guys know what you're looking for.

915
00:56:32,635 --> 00:56:36,915
And there it is. That's the YouTube. And you do have your X, right?

916
00:56:36,915 --> 00:56:38,995
So let's go ahead and take over to X.

917
00:56:39,355 --> 00:56:40,915
Here's Space Tomatoes X.

918
00:56:42,095 --> 00:56:43,695
So support Havoc.

919
00:56:43,955 --> 00:56:46,135
And there's Alex right there.

920
00:56:47,135 --> 00:56:48,035
He's a good guy.

921
00:56:48,695 --> 00:56:49,775
So support Havoc and Alex.

922
00:56:49,915 --> 00:56:51,215
Check out Space Tomatoes.

923
00:56:51,795 --> 00:56:52,835
Give them a listen.

924
00:56:53,635 --> 00:56:55,595
And with that, we're going to sign off.

925
00:56:56,875 --> 00:56:58,755
And Havoc, anything else before we leave?

926
00:57:00,035 --> 00:57:00,615
No, man.

927
00:57:00,655 --> 00:57:01,375
Stay positive.

928
00:57:02,795 --> 00:57:05,075
We're all going to get through this one way or another.

929
00:57:05,635 --> 00:57:06,275
Yes, sir.

930
00:57:06,275 --> 00:57:06,875
We will.

931
00:57:07,275 --> 00:57:09,695
I think America will get their shit together

932
00:57:09,695 --> 00:57:12,515
and realize we have a lot at stake

933
00:57:12,515 --> 00:57:14,255
and we're going to get back to basics.

934
00:57:14,395 --> 00:57:14,995
We really need to.

935
00:57:15,515 --> 00:57:16,175
I believe we will.

936
00:57:16,975 --> 00:57:17,415
In the effort.

937
00:57:18,075 --> 00:57:18,395
Awesome.

938
00:57:18,515 --> 00:57:18,815
Thank you.

939
00:57:19,035 --> 00:57:19,375
Thank you.

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